Roses with darker centers fading lighter toward edges
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mariannese
5 years agoThis trait is typical of Geschwinds Orden and Aurelia Liffa, another Geschwind, although they may be the same rose according to some experts.
Duchesse de Rohan has a little of this trait, but not as pronounced:
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Comments (9)Thanks for these suggestions! One of my problems has been that there are simply so many roses that it's hard to narrow things down. Gemini seems a lot darker than my rose has ever gotten, so I don't think it's that one, but Moonstone seems possible. Sheer Bliss says it's a pink center with white outer while mine's the other way around... I think Moonstone's the closest so far, though I'm not completely convinced. And yeah, I've thought of trying to cut away the red one. The very first blooming I didn't realize it was there because of a sucker, I just couldn't figure out where there were two bushes... I'm new to rose-tending. And it was pretty. Knowing that now, I'm leery because of how incredibly thorny the cultivated one is and how intertwined they are. But I'm going to try. :)...See Morefade-to-white?
Comments (8)I don't grow it myself but the botanical gardens near me has a nice planting of a DA rose called 'Rosemoor' which smells lovely and has that white-edges-pink-centre look. I love its growth habit and the shape of the flowers, though sometimes the pink centres look weird and almost spray-painted to me....See More
Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
5 years agoMy Souvenir d'un Ami from RVR has this quality, as does baby Belle sans Flatterie, a gallica from Claire on this forum.
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Belle sans Flatterie
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clawandthorn
5 years agoIt is a pretty look. I know I have at least one gallica and one centifolia with significantly darker centers. Hopefully you will get some input from people who keep better track of their old roses and names.
However, some of my David Austin roses also have this trait.
Teasing Georgia
A Shropshire Lad
Crocus Rose
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monarda_gw
5 years agolast modified: 5 years agoThe Pilgrim (photo from David Austin catalog)
Aunt Margy's Rose, a polyantha (not my photo):
Also Pompon Veranda by Kordes, aka Pashmina: https://palatineroses.com/rose/pompon-veranda
And of course Félicité Parmentier, if not already mentioned (not my photo)
And Russsell's Cottage Rose (I love this, and I am convinced Emily Dickinson had it in her garden): https://www.davidaustinroses.co.uk/russellianaAnd then there is the fantastically beautiful E Veryat Hermanos, which I have never seen in the flesh, since it grows in warmer climes:
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ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9
5 years agolast modified: 5 years agoYes it is, Sheila, and I'm happy that someone likes Aunt Margy's Rose enough to have a picture of it. It deserves to be grown much more widely, and I notice that Rogue Valley Roses carries it. I know Souvenir d'un Ami seems to have several different clones, and I don't think the one I had looked like yours, although it's always difficult to judge from pictures alone. Here is mine. It looks very nice here but frequently looked much less attractive.
I'm sorry, Pippa, that I hijacked your thread. The rose below has the attribute you mentioned, which I also very much like. It's the Bourbon rose, Mme. Dore.
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5 years agoSheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
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5 years agoWow, these are all wonderful but I especially like Geschwinds Orden, Belle Sans Flatterie, and Aunt Margy’s Rose. I keep waiting for RVR to have others in stock I want to make the shipping worth it.
I agree, Pippa, I find this trait beautiful. James Galway is one I grow that does this. It has a warm pink heart and pale pink edges. I can only find pictures that are a few years old and not very good but it’ll give you an idea.
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5 years agoI think the degree to which a rose is darker in the middle is often due to the outer petals fading in the sun, but the center being exposed to the sun later. When My Gertrude Jekyll first opens she is more uniformly pink, but over time she gets faded edges that give her somewhat of the look you are talking about. Having said that, there are others that actually seem to have different pigmentation -- not just fading. I think Eden/Pierre de Ronsard is one of these. Here are a few pictures of roses from my garden doing what you are talking about. There are also some really great roses that do the opposite: develop darker petals around the edges with exposure to the sun -- especially some teas, like White Maman Cochet.
Above: the Pemberton Hybrid Musk Felicia looking darker in the middle
Above: Austin rose Gertrude Jekyll looking paler around the edges (and me "posing" clematis Durandii -- maybe my favorite clematis, though I have been warned that it might drown old Gert).
Above: Two views of my out-of-control Eden/Pierre de Ronsard (Modern climber by Meilland). I'd warn anyone before planting this rose that 1) It smells like nothing to me, which is a huge let-down given the lush look of its blooms and 2) most people find it does not repeat well for them. Having said that, in Zone 8B Seattle, WA in full sun all day my own-root specimen from Heirloom blooms its fool head off after 6 years in the ground. It looks like a 12-foot-tall thorny octopus right now and is well on its way to becoming a large bush rather than a climber (I haven't been as strict with it as I should).
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5 years agolast modified: 5 years agoThis look with the pale outer petals and the more colorful interior is also one of my favorites! I asked for suggestions about this a few years ago also. I can't find that thread though. I think that I loved this look ever since I saw my first Eden. I'm still wishing I could grow Geoff Hamilton, but I've read many reports that he does not like hot weather and is a stingy bloomer. It's one of the things that drew me again and again to Abraham Darby, before I knew his name. Many if not most of the photos I've seen of him don't have this aspect, but in this climate, the outer petals fade to pale pink and the inner petals can be apricot. If I had the room I'd try Bliss also. I still haven't found the perfect rose with cupped flowers, darker center and pale outer petals and strong fragrance, but I keep trying.
Eden
Sharifa Asma
Abraham Darby
Alexandra, Princesse de Luxembourg
Earth Angel
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5 years agoHere's a few that do this for me. Molineaux, Cinderella, Carding Mill, Charles Darwin
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5 years agoA few more - Teasing Georgia, Jubilee Celebration, Crocus Rose & Lady Gardener
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5 years agoAnd a few more. Boscobel, Munstead, Lady Gardener & Crocus rose. Again, this is more prevalent in the spring due to the temperature. Mud summer they tend to be more of a solid colour throughout.
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5 years agolast modified: 5 years agoRussell's Cottage Rose was marketed in the early 19th c. as 'Greville's Scarlet Rose' (in contradistinction to a Greville's pink rose, aka 'Seven Sisters'). I took some pictures of Russell's Cottage Rose in late May 2017 at the Brooklyn Botanic garden.
It's not really scarlet, but rather a dark crimson. The buds are quite distinctive and it is said to be very fragrant (somehow I didn't think to smell it).
I was startled when I thought I recognized the rose I had just seen on Emily Dickinson's wallpaper at the Dickinson exhibit at the Morgan Library that month. Later I read that in one of her letters she referred to the Greville roses she had growing in her garden--it could have been Seven Sisters but I prefer to think it was Russell's.
It's true that Geshwind's purplish roses are superficially similar, but mostly they appear to have smooth buds -- judging from pictures -- and are not reported to be very fragrant, if at all.
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Sylvia Wendel
5 years agoDid someone mention Aunt Margy’s rose? I’ve had her for two years now. She ddid very well in 10a and is thriving in 9b.here she is on the right next to Darcey Bussell.
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Love that wallpaper! Here are a few. Climbing clothilde Soupert. Please click to view properly.
Zaid.
And lastly Viking Queen.
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5 years agoingrid_vc so. CA zone 9
5 years agoThis has been pure eye candy, what a ball to scroll down and view one gorgeous rose after another. By the end I'd even forgotten what the subject of this post was!
Sylvia, I'm afraid Sheila is right; your pretty little rose is not Aunt Margy's Rose. Mine grows 6 to 7 feet against the house wall and looks like this:
I believe Rogue Valley Rose carries the correct one.
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5 years agolast modified: 5 years agoNymphe Tepla, hybrid setigera, Geschwind, 1886. A Eurodesert import. Blooming in my garden, April 28, 2017. Hmm, photo posting isn't going well, it uploads, then vanishes. Third time........
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