January 2019, Week 4, Getting the Itch To Plant Something, Anything...

5 years ago

As we move more deeply into January, I know that everyone is fighting the urge to plant something....perhaps anything.....somewhere.....anywhere. So, let's all take a collective deep breath and slow down because it still is only January, the cold is hanging on and we know it is too early for most things still.

However, if you need to direct-sow poppies and larkspur seeds, for example, right now is a great time to do that. The same would be true of most wildflowers.

Folks who like to wintersow could be doing that now as well, at least with some things.

If you are going to plant any bare-root fruit trees, grape vines or bramble fruit, now is the time to buy them and plant them as soon as they arrive in stores near you. All of those now are in at least some stores down here in southern OK or just across the border in western North Texas. I don't know how many stores further north have them yet. You could do the same with asparagus and bare-root peonies. I have seen those in stores here too.

Just a reminder....planting season, per recommended dates from OSU, begins February 15th with some cool-season crops and continues through mid-March before we begin to transition to planting warm-season crops. I know that most of us have fairly regular times we plant at our individual locations based either on dates or on air/soil temperatures plus the current weather/forecast. I normally plant onions the second or third week in February here, having learned if I plant them any earlier than that, they'll freeze, and if I plant them any later, I've waited too long and may be sacrificing some bulb size. This year it feels like a year to plant them maybe even later---the last week of February or the first week of March. I just think we will stay too chilly at night, at least sporadically, for me to plant at the usual time. This isn't based on exhaustive research of weather models and long-range forecasts, but more on a gut feeling I've had for months. Even though I could plant a lot beginning in mid-February, usually onions and potatoes are the only things I'll plant that early. I wait a bit later with spring greens and brassicas because we are in a cold microclimate and lose them to the cold if we plant too early....even if by 'early' I am actually referring to recommended planting times for my area.

For anyone who needs a refresher on OSU-recommended planting dates, here's the Fact Sheet:

Oklahoma Garden Planning Guide

One good thing about the recent cold is that it is keeping the asparagus from emerging too early. This is a good thing, as it has emerged too early the last three years and subsequently suffered cold damage.

If you want to/need to transplant any existing shrubs or trees, this is a good time to do so while they still are dormant.

Even though pansies, violas, stock, sweet alyssum, snapdragons, primroses, dianthus, English daisies and similar early season flowers are arriving in stores now, it still is too early to put them in the ground. A person could plant some in pots now if the pots can be moved up close to the house and covered to protect the young plants from the next blast of winter weather.

Hmmm. That's about all I can think of for this week. Late January, especially when the weather is very cold, is not really a hotbed of gardening activity. Some people do start seeds early indoors, as is their perogative, but then it is common to run into the problem of how to keep increasingly larger plants happy indoors when it still is too cold to put them outdoors. As they outgrow whatever light shelf system is set up, it becomes more and more of a problem to keep them happy or to keep them from getting too leggy. That is why all of us are here are holding off on starting seeds of various things, as most of us have been there, done that, and learned from it.

Have a great week and stay warm. Watch for the next cold blast in another week or so.

Dawn

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luvncannin

5 years ago

I am in denton again. Mother is in hospital again. We almost lost her last week so I had to come and get her lined out. COPD AND CHF are horrible I thank God Every day I quit smoking. She smoked almost 70 years.

I told her I was going to bust her out and make her hoe my garden.

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Rebecca (7a)
5 years ago
I’m scheming on something. Wondering if I can make a cold frame type contraption out of the clear Sterilite totes, to grow lettuces and spinach. Punch holes in the lid and bottom, kind of a cross between winter sowing and a cold frame. I’m sick of grocery store lettuce.

I need a nice enough day when I don’t have to work so I can wintersow some snapdragons and hollyhocks. Carnations are cool weather flowers, yes? My first year trying to grow them.
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hazelinok
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Rebecca, have you seen this video? Is this the type of contraption you are thinking of?
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5 years ago
Yes I’ve been wanting to plant tomatoes, peppers,and a few flowers, but fighting the urge.

We were at Atwoods in Stillwater yesterday and bought potatoes- will just put the bags in my pantry and in a few weeks they will start sprouting and have nice strong sprouts when I’m ready to cut pieces to dry before planting in March.
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5 years ago
HJ - exactly! Only I wanted to dedicate containers to it, so I was ready to drill holes in the totes. A little surprised there aren’t any air holes, though. But now that I know it’ll work...
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5 years ago
Rebecca - Totally sick of no fresh greens. I'm going to rig some kind of cover on my lettuce table and get this party started. I'm going to feed my "need" by starting my wintersowing. I'm trying to curb my urge to look over the seed catalogs although they're stacked by my recliner. Just haven't had time to sit and looks like it will be a while before that happens.

It's been a really rough, challenging year for us and we've decided it's time to move down in yard size. It's overwhelming to think of moving but exciting to think of the possibilities at the same time, right Kim? Hope your Mom is settling in! Taking care of aging parents is a challenge I only thought I understood so my hat is off to all of you who are & have shifted to that stage! My Dad is easy so far. DH's family is impossible.

Since things are so up in the air for us, I've got some ideas for a Spring Fling too. There's a pavilion out here at ThunderBird that's relatively easy to find and has all the facilities we'd need. Draper might have one too. There's always the option WE might throw a "Pot Party" in which I gift each guest with a spade and stack of pots and tell each of you to start digging!!! We could give out a "Golden Shovel" for the most plants dug in 20 minutes! (insert evil snicker here!!) We'll be hiring someone to clean up our yard and stack the garden stuff that will move too.

I'm going to hate leaving my beloved Garden Shed and raised beds but those can be re-established. We looked at a house in town that had a filled in pool with a cute fence all around. It had bricked pavers with a shed and oh. my. gosh.....I could just see raised beds and trellis and.....but it just was too close to where I moved from 13 years ago. And it hadn't been updated since I graduated highschool in 1975. HA! We are wanting to stay east of I-35.

Since I have the day off - I'm going to go dig in my shed to see if I have the PVC joints for my frost cover frame. I have a craving for Red Romaine!

Paula
Nancy RW (zone 7)
5 years ago
WEIRD. Dawn, this funny post of yours just now showed up for me!

"See there, Nancy, if you just get out of the house and go do other things, you can make it through the entire day without buying one single thing related to gardening and without saying one word aloud about gardening. You won't order seeds or plants. You won't pick up a few things while you're in the store. Why, you'll hardly have gardening on your mind at all. I know this because I did it! Those random garden thoughts that roll through our minds? Nobody can control those and I don't even try."

That one.

And as it turned out, I got sidetracked with books (and not gardening books), so I've been coasting right along. :) I'm glad you got new spiffy wheels. How fun it will be!

Paula, it is good to "see" you. Know it has been a rough year, and the parents thing just makes it that much rougher for us all. Blessings to you. Loved the Pot Party idea.

Now you're making me want to grow greens in a clear tote greenhouse, you guys! LOL

It is so incredibly windy here today! So although it's 44 degrees, with 22 mph wind, it is very unpleasant! And it has been that way since our 1/2 inch of snow, so the snow is actually still on the ground in large part.

Pinetree has shipped my second order, so I'll have those to cheer me on in a few days. And I have books coming, too!

.
Nancy RW (zone 7)
5 years ago
Ha, and HJ, just now got YOUR previous post where you're talking about you haven't bought a single seed yet, and your good day with Dale and Bill. CRAZY.
jlhart76
5 years ago
Our youth retreat was this weekend, so that curtailed any garden related tasks for me. Today was spent recovering from sleeping on the floor (with a mattress, but still not as comfortable as a bed. Sure sign I'm getting old.)
Okiedawn OK Zone 7
Original Author
5 years ago
Kim, Sending prayers and best wishes for your mom.

We know many people who also are dealing with COPD and/or CHF after smoking (or, in fact, being married to a smoker for decades and decades) for decades. It is sad how much damage they have done to their own health.

Rebecca, You have nothing to lose by trying. Lettuce and greens also are easy to grow indoors under lights.

Yes, carnations are more cool-season than warm season, but the truth is they are sort of like the Little Red Riding Hood of flowers---they like weather that is neither too warm nor too cold. They do well when they have highs in the 60s (or, perhaps, even in the 50s) and lows in the 40s and 50s, so the window of opportunity to get them to bloom here and remain looking decent is fairly limited and depends on when we start warming up, which can happen overnight some years. You can start them indoors 8 weeks before your average last frost date, and transplant them outdoors shortly after that. I had better luck with them down in Texas than up here because I could put them in the ground in January or February down there and cannot put them in the ground here until March at best. We tend to get warm here at about the same time as we did in Texas, so my window of opportunity to get blooms from them here is shockingly short. Since you're further north, you might have a better chance up there.

farmgardener, That's what I did. My potatoes have been sitting in the dark here for a couple of weeks---I got them as soon as Atwood's put them out to sell.

Paula, It is so hard to imagine y'all moving, but I do totally get it....it takes a lot of work and expense to maintain a large piece of property.

When taking care of elderly parents, the struggle is real. Three of our four parents are gone, with only my mom remaining, but it takes a village (both family and non-family members) to take care of an almost 90-year-old diabetic who is on dialysis and also very tiny and fragile. I am at the point where I think she'd be better off in a nursing home, but she always has been 100% opposed to that and my family members that live near her in Ft. Worth are doing the best they can to accommodate her wishes to remain in her own home, where she has lived for 67 years. I remember when our other three parents were going through their health struggles in the waning years of their lives, and it took such a toll on everyone to try to get them to all the right doctor's appointments, keep their medications straight, handle their finances for them, make sure they were safe from falling and all that sort of stuff while still in their own homes. Anyone going through these things has my most sincere sympathy---once your parents reach that stage, it is about the same as having small children again in terms of having them become so dependent on you.

Nancy, Lol. The sad thing is that it all was true. Just because I was out with my family doing normal family stuff does not mean my mind was not straying away to gardening and growing every single chance it got. I just could not stay focused on stuff other than gardening, but I really did try.

I don't understand why posts show up so randomly. Are they lost in outer space for a while? It seems to happen regularly.

Because we are trying to work on the upstairs hallway bathroom, we keep having fire calls because.....because....that is what always happens when we are trying to get something done. I think we had three different calls overnight...because, you know, you shouldn't be allowed to sleep at all after working on tearing out a bathroom all day. So, today we were tired and moving slowly, really just running on empty. Yesterday was about taking out much of the bathroom...the flooring, the old vanity, sink, faucet, mirror and lighting, etc., and of course, you have to temporarily take out the toilet while tearing out the flooring so it was such a full day that I really didn't think about gardening. Then, today, running on low energy and little sleep, we painted the one wall where everything had been removed, put down the new flooring (which, of course, involved being a half-box short and having to go back to HD to get one more box) which took most of the rest of the day, put up the new lighting and carried the new vanity up the stairs (not an easy task). At that point we discovered that the new vanity, which has a door and two drawers, is a bit different from the old one that had only two doors, so we are going to have to move all the plumbing for the sink so the vanity drawers can be closed. (Sigh.) That was the end of today's work. Tim went back to HD for plumbing parts very late in the day, while I was getting the cats to come inside for the night, have their dinner, etc., and closing up the chickens for the night. We'll resume work on that little bathroom tomorrow night after dinner. Again, there wasn't much time to think about gardening today, and I guess I am grateful for that. Do y'all know how gardening is better than DIY home improvement projects? This is just one of many ways it is better....because when I go out to the garden to work, everything I need is right there in the garden shed. I don't have to run down to HD (at least 20 miles each way) in Texas 2 or 3 times a day to get things that I suddenly discover I need.

Our wind wasn't bad as most of you had further north. Our highest gusts were only around 30-31, but it sure did make the wind chill a bit cooler than the actual air temp. For the rest of this week, our temperatures are supposed to be around average for January, but our local TV met warned tonight about a big cold blob he sees out there early for next week....which is the thing I mentioned models have been hinting at for a while. I still am hoping the colder weather stays north of us. I am sure he'll tell us more about it as the models come into agreement better (or, maybe not) over the next few days.

Dawn
bon
5 years ago
Hello and love ya'll.

Let's do this.
Nancy RW (zone 7)
5 years ago
Is this chickencoup Bon??
bon
5 years ago
Yes Maam. And btw, you are beautiful. Good to see your face! Apologies for my not being able to return the photo (or the beauty) keh
Nancy RW (zone 7)
5 years ago
It is so exciting to "see" you! You were one of my first favorite OKGW friends! I airbrushed the wrinkles. :) How are you all? Hope all is well?! You growing great things? Please give us an update!
bon
5 years ago
I'm doing well. I've fashioned a harness, sewed up some gear and set the horses before the cart.

Now, I'm about to bust open my seed stash. Nothing really exciting this year, just to get things rolling, work the soil and get dirt under my fingernails the way every spring should be.

This post reminds me to put out some poppy seeds! Looking forward to some pretties this year.
hazelinok
5 years ago
How exciting! Posts from Bon, Paula and Kim! Good to see y'all!

Nancy, that's why I always go back in read "last week's thread" because posts show up late. And I hate that someone's post might not have been read...and it just sitting there ignored.

Jen, I hope you recover quickly! I'm sure sleeping in your own bed will do the trick.

Paula and Everyone, I'm great with meeting wherever for the SF. I just HOPE that I can come this year. We are already running into issues of being double "booked" for some weekends.

Dawn, what sort of floor are you putting in? Tom and I tried to tile once at our old house. It wasn't pretty. We ended up hiring it down.

No garden news. Still haven't even cleaned off the light shelf. I did get the two coats of paint on the desk in the 3rd bedroom. It will need at least one more. I'm so happy to get this project done. I prefer gardening, but am so happy to get some house projects completed.
Megan Huntley
5 years ago
I've managed to keep my urge to garden contained due to the home organization projects I have going on. I've made a lot of headway but my living room has suffered the fallout. AND I'm going on a girls weekend to a friend's cabin in NW OK this weekend, so nothing will get done. I did manage to get the seeds I absolutely positively wanted to stratify outdoors done last weekend, barely. It was the last thing I managed to do before calling it a day on Sunday. Once I get my projects complete, I decided that I'll reward myself with a new rug for the dining area. Having a rug under the dining table seems so counterproductive, but with tile floors plantation shutters, and a high ceiling it's necessary to control the noise.

The gardening thing I did think about this weekend was prioritizing my landscape work. I have 2 major projects that need attention and there is only one of me and no budget for hired help. After weighing it out, I settled on getting a rain garden built and it needs to happen soon. I know it will be a lot of weekends and a lot of sore muscles but I kinda like that. I feel like it keeps me honest - so to speak.

I've done a little research in the past knowing that it was going to become a priority at some point, but if anyone has experience building one, I'm very interested in your insight and would like to chat with you offline so we don't turn the weekly posts into rain garden feeds.
Okiedawn OK Zone 7
Original Author
5 years ago
Hi Bon! It is so good to see you here. Welcome back.

We all are SO going to do this....as we keep fighting the urge to start seeds too early every single day.

Having said that, I'm starting seeds of cool-season greens and brassicas today.

Jen, I hope you're recovering. Yes, we all are getting older every day, but consider the alternative.....

Jennifer, We are putting down a simple vinyl wood-look plank in the upstairs bathroom. Since this is the bathroom the grandchildren use, and the youngest one is only 4 years old, we decided to wait until they were older to put in a nice tile floor. I didn't want to deal with having things break after being dropped on a tile floor. I want the bathroom to have a farmhouse look like the rest of the house, but inevitably this bathroom will be filled with children's bath toys, bubble bath, etc. I did resist the urge to decorate it just for them in a more juvenile motif because adult guests will use the bathroom also.

Tiling is an art, and not an easy one to master. Tim has gotten better at it over the years. When we eventually get around to remodeling the master bath it will have a nice tile floor and tile on some of the walls. So, I guess I'm saving my dreams of gorgeous tile for that room.

Megan, Good luck with the rain garden. I don't know anyone personally who has put one in.

I have spent the last couple of years working on reorganizing, organizing, purging, reorganizing again, etc. and we finally are about where I wanted us to be when I started all that. I still don't have the master bedroom closets as organized as I'd like....or even the whole master bedroom. When we have something that doesn't have a permanent place to stay, it seems to end up in the master bedroom in a pile on the dresser or something. That is one reason I have been working so hard to create a place for everything. Once I conquer that mess in the Master Bedroom, I'll be truly content with how organized our house has become. This year's goal is to keep working on that, but also to start in on Tim's oversized garage/shop building where he hoards stuff like crazy. When we were younger, he could walk in there and find anything he wanted without trying too hard. Now, as we have aged and our memories are not as good as they used to be, neither one of us can find anything in there. It is time to clean it up, clean it out and truly organize it. How oversized is it---would you believe 1200 square feet? Purging stuff and organizing it out there is the equivalent of doing the same to a small home, so I think it will take us a lot longer than I expect/want it to take.

Did all of you wake up today to a warm morning? We did. It was 56 degrees when I woke up. Unfortunately it is cloudy and a small amount of rain is in the forecast---you know, because we cannot let the mud we have had here since September dry up...not for one single day. We aren't expecting sunshine today, I guess because we have warm temperatures and sunshine plus warmth wouldn't feel wintery enough. Later in the week we should have sunshine, but the warmth will be gone by then.

Tim took today off to catch up on all the paperwork from the wrecked vehicle. When you live a long way from your insurance company's claims office and from the tow yard where they took the vehicle, it makes getting all that stuff done so much harder or at least a lot more time consuming. He has to drive down to Irving to drop off the car title at the claims office so they can total out the wrecked vehicle. I guess eventually they'll send us a check. Then he has to drive about 30 or 40 miles to the tow yard where they took the car when they towed it away from the more local wrecker yard to wherever our insurance company stores its wrecked vehicles that are being "processed". He needs to get his NTTA toll tag thing off the windshield and remove a few things from the car trunk, like some tools and jumper cables and such. Then, eventually, he'll make it back home but I don't expect to see him until late afternoon if even that early. He's hoping he'll be home early enough to work on the plumbing in the upstairs bathroom but I have my doubts about that.

I'm starting my brassica and greens seeds today. Then, I just have to hope that February doesn't stay too cold and that these plants can go into the ground more or less on time. I'm probably aiming more for early March for them to go into the ground than for late February. Everything about this year's weather is screaming at me to slow down and not get into too much of a hurry with anything.

Dawn
jlhart76
5 years ago
1200 sqft for storage??? My last house was only 900, & the current one is around 1200. I can't imagine 1200 just for storage!
hazelinok
5 years ago
Megan, keep us posted on your rain garden. I've seen one online, but can't find that particular blog now. It's been a couple of years ago.

Dawn, we were fairly warm this morning too. In fact, I put the dogs out as I got ready for work, knowing that it would be too cold today.

Just out of curiosity, how many seeds did you start?

We too have a 1200 sq. ft shop. The sad thing about us, though, is that shop is only 3 and half years old and it's ALREADY packed and out of control. Part of it is that our house is so small. Part of it is...well, there is no excuse. Although, we have stored quite a bit of band stuff in there. But still....

Tom is taking a full week off in April to clean it out and organize it. We want to have a graduation party for Ethan in May and use as an extra hang out area. Some of the clutter is my unorganized gardening stuff. I have hoarded cardboard in there, but maybe I can lay it all down in the garden pathways and throw some wood chips on them. OR finish the area behind the shop that is the future pollinator garden. I put some cardboard down and have been throwing the chicken droppings/bedding on it. BUT, it needs to be extended and I haven't taken the time to put down fresh cardboard and extend it out. Instead, I keep dumping it on the existing places. Maybe I can get that done by May. Maybe.

I am tempted to skip pilates tonight because I'm so cold. But, I won't. I'll go.
luvncannin
5 years ago
NewNews. My brother is looking at property in Bowie Tx

I could help reno house for free rent and then low rent. Place sophoe,sophie, garden etc. Bowie has farmers market once a month. That would help me transition back I to market gardening.

I bought some seed starting soil yesterday. I will plant some brassica on Saturday.

Glad to be home. Mother is going to rehab which is good. My sister doesn't really care for her just provides
Nancy RW (zone 7)
5 years ago
I like it, Kim. . . keep us posted. Where is "Home"?????

I don't know how big our shop is. Very big. And then we have the boat/RV port next to it. (Like we'd have an RV. . . lol) BUT, I will say this. Garry Dean is a very tidy person. He is a saint to put up with me. But in my defense, the only mess I have is in my art/quilt/cat/plant/canned goods room. Well and the garage-which houses the little ole Honda and all the gardening equipment. I know! I need to move all the gardening equipment out to the largely empty SHOP!! YAY! Thanks, guys! I began laughing this morning after Dawn's discussion of cleaning up the shop, and then Jen's comment. I just realized at that moment the reason Garry Dean's shop is so tidy is cuz I/we am/are too lazy to move the wheelbarrows, carts, bags of soil, rakes, shovels, etc., INTO the shop. They're all outside making the yard look like a junkyard! Hahahaha!! Well, it's not quite THAT bad. Most of the stuff is against the wall of the boat/RV port and isn't really that visible. heh heh heh. . . wait'll I spring this on Garry!

Remember we went across and down the street to clean up the trashing vacant lot? Well GDW happened to comment when we were coming back from town and turning into our driveway. . ."Maybe folks are talking about US like that." I had to laugh. . . really hard!

Bon, I hope you're back. . . I loved your presence. You made me feel so welcome. Well, all of you did, but Bon was special.

I'm really okay today not planting. I just remembered, the sooner I plant, the sooner I am held hostage to watering little babies 2-3 times a day. Yeah. . . . . I can wait just fine. :) Love ya all.
Okiedawn OK Zone 7
Original Author
5 years ago
Jen, Well, all that space is supposed to include parking for 3 vehicles, and a fourth garage 'stall' for all the lawn mowers, weed eaters, rototillers, wheelbarrows, etc. plus extra space around the perimeter of the garage for storage. The problem is that with all that space available, all he does is fill it up with junk. I really believe the amount of junk expands to fill the space available and rue the day we built the building this large. I remember when the building was young (we built it in 2004) and mostly held our vehicles and just the most basic of tools (previously stored in a rattlesnake-infested shed). It was such a great building. I want to get it back to that point again. There was a time when he couldn't cling to everything forever because the shed wouldn't hold everything. I want to get back to that point again.

Jennifer, I started 54 cells in a 72-cell flat. I need to start more seeds tomorrow in order to finish out that flat and have every cell in use. I have tons of odds and ends and leftover bits of lettuce, kale, collards and such, and I want to use them up before the seeds get too old, so it will be easy to fill that flat. I have two more flats-in-waiting for tomatoes, peppers and whatever else when the time comes to use those.

I understand about the shop. Truly, I do. It is a real problem. Let's say the lawnmower isn't working well and is getting old and he decides he needs a new one. So, he goes and buys one, but he doesn't get rid of the old one because one of these days he thinks he will replace a lot of worn-out parts and make the old mower run well again. (Is that a man thing? I know he never will fix it, but he won't let it go either. It drives me nuts.)

Our house did not have a lot of storage when we moved in---one closet in each bedroom, a linen closet, and the walk-in pantry beneath the stairs. That is sort of how the overuse of the garage began---once we built it, he kept moving things out there. I tell him that it is the place where things go to die and that we do not have to keep everything forever, but still he clings to old junk. We've since then added a bit more storage inside the house. His response? Now when he brings in tools to use, he puts them in a Rubbermaid storage tote in our bedroom instead of returning them to the garage because he likes having them where he can find them. Why can't he find them out in the garage? Because it is too junked up! So, I think that as we begin purging and reorganizing the garage/shop building and once we actually get rid of a lot of the junk, he'll be able to use his garage efficiently again. He actually loves all the storage/organization I've done indoors even though he sort of resisted it all the way at the time I was doing it. Why? Because now there is a place for everything and everything is in its place and we know where things are when we need them. We just have to apply the same techniques out there in the shop as what I did indoors. I may have to do it without him though, since he is at work so much. One thing that worked indoors was that I'd tell him we needed to get rid of all the junk now so Chris wouldn't have to deal with it after we're gone. Because he remembers what he and his sisters went through dealing with their parents' house full of stuff after they passed away, this is one way I actually can get him to sort through stuff and get rid of it....at least inside the house. We'll see if it works out in the shop building too.

When we built the new garden shed last spring, that's when my garden stuff moved out of the garage and to the shed, for the most part. As we clean up the garage and come across more stuff, I'll move it to the shed as well. So, I cannot be blamed for much of what is in the garage. Whew! At least he cannot blame me for all the stuff that is out there. I really think he is at the point where he doesn't know where to begin, so he doesn't begin at all. I'll just have to start without him. Then he'll be scared I'll throw out something that actually is important, and he'll help me for that reason alone.

Nancy, For too long we have left wheelbarrows and things out and then, of course, they get wet and stay wet and rust out. I'm trying to correct that issue by cleaning up the shop building and making space for the stuff that really matters. I do not know if I'll succeed.

Kim, I hope the property in Bowie works out. I love that area. My dad grew up in Spanish Fort. I hope your mom does well in rehab.

Would y'all believe we had a few snow flurries in town this evening? For a long time, the radar showed what would be snow/sleet if it reached the ground, but I guess it wasn't reaching the ground. Then, finally, it started reaching the ground (not much, and melting as it hit the warm ground) in town for a little while. I was just laughing. It wasn't anything to get excited about, just a few stray flakes. It wasn't in our forecast at the time but now that some has fallen, the NWS came back and added a 10% chance of a wintery mix to our overnight forecast. We haven't even dropped below freezing yet. We should warm up decently again (at least back up to normal) by the weekend before the next cold blast hits early next week.

This month's weather is a roller coaster ride for sure. Maybe that is why January always seems to last for 97 days. At least once February arrives, it is a short, albeit cold, month. February is my month of choice to clean out the garage. I want to do it while the weather is cold enough that I won't encounter a snake in there. Maybe I'll start tomorrow to get off to a good head start. I bought those really heavy-duty black contractor's bags and I could just start bagging up stuff and putting it in the bed of the truck myself. I bet my husband would not go paw through the bags to see what I am throwing away!

You know how all gardeners seem to have extra shovels, rakes and (especially) trowels? Well, I think it will be interesting to see how many duplicate tools are hiding out there in the shop beneath all the junk. On the bright side, if someone breaks into the shop, I don't think they can steal anything important like the generator because I don't think they can find it buried beneath all the clutter. Hmmm. Now I am feeling inspired to try to fill up one black bag with 'junk' per day. Of course, that inspiration might fade in tomorrow morning's cold air.

Oh, and I am about to inherit our son's tiny house because he and his girlfriend are looking for a full-sized house to buy. He finally has given up the tiny house dream, having realized it might work for a single guy, but it isn't going to work for a family of 4 and all their pets. That tiny house will become a garden house/craft cottage type thing, I think. The one thing I am sure of is that Tim cannot be allowed to turn it into a storage shed because it is too nice of a building for that.

Dawn
Rebecca (7a)
5 years ago
Got a clear plastic tote at Target for about $12. No potting mix there yet, so I’ll have to get that at Stringers Saturday. And they have seeds there. Hmmm...

I’ll try one tote first, then maybe add a second for spinach.
luvncannin
5 years ago
Bon

So glad to see you here too. I am in and out. I miss being able to interact.

Nancy I am still in lubbock on the farm. I want to get moved but am here. For now.
Okiedawn OK Zone 7
Original Author
5 years ago
All the stores here have soil-less sterile seed-starting mixes now, and seed racks and everything else, but I never see anyone buying any of that stuff yet. Except me. We don't have a Target here though, and when we go to the one in Sherman or Denton, they always do seem to lag behind other big box stores with the gardening stuff.

It is too cold this morning---not so much the temperatures, but the wind chills. Being out in that cold air for 15 or 20 minutes will kill a person's desire to plant anything anywhere. Our wind chills this morning here are among the coldest we've had all winter. At least we do have sunshine.
Nancy RW (zone 7)
5 years ago
Brrrr. Brrrr. I have my seed-starting mix and seeds and am ready to go for when it's time. To be decided one of of these days. Laughed at your seed packet post, Dawn. And promptly went to my tomatoes and checked every single packet. AND yay just got my second seed order from Pinetree and checked all of them, too. :) New trick learned today. Check contents of seed packets. Thx.

I just walked through the living room and see that the entire household is sound asleep at 1:15 in the afternoon--except me. Cracked me up. All five of them. I can't dust the coffee table--might disturb them. That's my story and I'm sticking to it. I had to put a quilt on the blue chair cuz Tiny was having way too much fun climbing the back of it. We noticed the cats have done a number on the leather furniture, and they don't even scratch it. Just tear it up traveling over it. Agghh.

I'm growing some stuff I've not grown previously. I bet lemongrass will be tricky. Have any of you grown it from seeds? I've got good instructions on it, fingers crossed. Also--have you grown sedum from seeds, anyone? Those are the two I'm concerned about. Everything else looks easy.

I'm excited about flowers this year. . . the cypress vine. Okay, I'm growing ONE ipomoea. I said I wasn't growing any. :) Since I won't have any sweet potato vines for spillers, I'll have to get some asparagus ferns when they show up in stores. I tried them from seed last year, but they were really difficult for me, and the few tiny ones I DID grow never got big enough fast enough. I'm also wondering--have any of you grown Pennyroyal? I never have--I tend to avoid planting mints, but I thought maybe it might make a nice spiller for containers. ?

Have fun planting, Rebecca! I like the idea! Bet it'll work great.

And Kim, if you land in Bowie, that'd put you a bit closer to the rest of us!

I'm far too lazy to keep wheelbarrows and carts in the shop, Dawn--or the tools. The entry to it is way too far from the back yard and veggie garden. BUT I look forward to moving some of the garage gardening stuff over there.
jlhart76
5 years ago
I've grown pennyroyal before, had a small pot last year that I moved inside in case I could keep it alive over winter. It was one I winter sowed that took off, though I had the container in a bad location so it didn't get very big.
hazelinok
5 years ago
Rebecca, keep us updated on your plastic tote garden. I'm curious to see how it works for you.

Jen, pennyroyal is such a fun name. I have no idea what it is, but want to grow it now. Is it medicinal?

Nancy, cute pictures. Your pet babies are adorable and Garry is pretty cute too. I love an afternoon nap, so can really appreciate those pictures. My cats are marking up my furniture too. I know this makes me sound cruel, but all of our cats have been declawed up until these two. They never had an issue climbing trees, etc. without their front claws. I didn't consider declawing these two because I felt they were too old for that. (Also, I didn't realize it was a "cruel" thing until a couple of years ago because our declawed cats were happy and did fine outside) So, this furniture/curtain/rug destruction is new to me. Well, Kane did those things but he's a dog.

SO happy to be home.

Friday is seed ordering day for me. Our funds have been a little tighter because of senior year stuff, ya know. I'm not ordering a lot because I'm not growing a lot of varieties this year. I might start some lettuce and other greens seed next week. It is exciting to think about. I WILL get this extra bedroom completed before gardening though. I must get that crossed off my list. Also, I want to plant some trees this year. Really focus on that even if I have to let some veggies/herbs/flowers go.
jlhart76
5 years ago
It is considered a medicinal, but most experts caution against using it and the list of side effects is pretty extensive and scary (though I always read those cynically). One source I found said it can cause fertility issues, so I was always leery about growing it when I was younger (no sense taking chances when I was still hopeful). I grow it just as a pretty plant and don't plan on using it for anything.

I've decided that my seed starting room will be the closet in the guest room. It's on the south side, and if the bedroom door stays closed it gets pretty warm in there. And it's the only place I can keep the dogs out of. Now to set up shop in there.
Okiedawn OK Zone 7
Original Author
5 years ago
The view on pennyroyal has changed over the years and I wouldn't plant it on our property for any reason for fear a dog or cat might chew on it. The use of pennyroyal tea has been linked to the death of at least two babies (I think it was in California) although many woman, historically, have used pennyroyal tea to regulate menstrual cycles and to induce abortion. I'm not sure why they gave that tea to babies. The use of pennyroyal oil (presumably in a concentrated oil made from the plants) has been implicated in multiple human deaths as well as in cases of kidney failure and liver failure when ingested. In some cases the liver failure or kidney failure led to the patients' subsequent deaths. I like to grow herbs we can use, but I don't like growing the ones whose potential toxicity issues outweigh their usefulness. Who knows if a pet could chew on a plant and get enough oil to be harmed by it, but why take the chance? They used to recommend growing pennyroyal as an insect repellent/flea repellent and maybe they still do recommend that, but I don't grow it because our pets like to chew on lots of different herb plants.
jlhart76
5 years ago
Interesting to know, Dawn. I know medicine in the 1800s was drastically different, and they used things that we wouldn't dream of using today. I remember seeing pennyroyal in an all natural flea repellent, which is why I grew it originally. Might have to rethink planting it.
AmyinOwasso/zone 6b
5 years ago
Pennyroyal, M.E.N. ARTICLE. https://www.motherearthnews.com/natural-health/herbal-remedies/pennyroyal-safety. Article IS 11 years old. I kind of want to grow it, but I've heard from other places it's not safe. Regardless, I would not ingest it.

Starting to feel human again, though my stamina is low. We took my dad to a Broken Arrow doctor yesterday. I vacuumed before hand. I didn't know if I would make it through dinner I was so tired.

I have ordered from 3 places. I pulled my seeds out and attempted to inventory/organize, but that got old fast. I need to pace myself. I am holding off on the other orders till I figure out if I'm low on any seeds I currently have and need to reorder. As it is, I ordered from Baker Creek and forgot my favorite lettuce. I have MORE than enough lettuce seeds. I think I'll put them off till fall or next spring.

Bon, it is really good to see you! I've wondered about you, especially when there are earth quakes!

Kim, I hope the new place works out for you.

XOXO
Patti Johnston
5 years ago
Good Evening All - I have a question for the group. I want to start some seeds and have questions. I have the shelving unit and all the supplies to start seeds. Problem is I can't put it in my house. We have two indoor cats that would destroy anything dirt related or green plants. They have even tried to eat the ends of plastic plants that look like grass. I have converted our old pool house into my garden shed and I'm thinking of putting my shelving unit out there. I have lights that I'll put on the shelves and have an electric heater out there. Currently, it is 53* out there. What temperature do I need it to be to be successful with starting seeds? I could probably crank it up and get it warmer if I need to. I thought I'd come to the experts

Oh yeah. Rain garden. Someone on here was wanting to talk with someone who has a rain garden. I built my four years ago and it's meeting my needs. Holler at me and we can talk.

Patti
Okiedawn OK Zone 7
Original Author
5 years ago
Hey Patti, I suppose it would depend on the seeds, but most seedlings will grow well at temperatures between 65 and 75. However, in order to get seeds to sprout relatively quickly, it would be better to have the temperatures at 75 during the day and 65 at night. I think that after everything germinated, you could keep the garden shed at 65 during the day and 55 at night. If you have a seedling heat mat to help with germination, you might get good germination from a flat on the map even if the air temperature is only 65 degrees during the day. Depending on the size of your shelving unit and how many lights it has, you likely will find the lights generate quite a bit of heat inside the shed themselves. I always have to close off the HVAC vent in the south-facing spare room where I start seeds on the light shelf because just the afternoon sun and the lights heat the room up and make it too hot.

Amy, I've been wondering how you and Ron were doing in recovering from the long month or more of illness. It seems like it has been forever since the two of you felt well and normal. Please keep pacing yourself and let your strength return. Pushing too hard now just means your recovery may slow down again.

I hope your dad is doing well. You all have been through so much in recent months.

Jen, I think in a lot of ways, with many herbs (like pennyroyal, for example), modern-day science likely is helping to give us a better idea of how to use them, or maybe to not use them as the case may be. We have to sort of remain vigilant and watch for modern-day research to validate (or not) historical uses of various herbs. I do wonder how many people were killed by home remedies back in the day merely because it might have been too easy to make a tincture too strong or whatever. I also think there still is not enough research even now for us to feel comfortable with some herbs that seem to have toxicity issues that may not be understood well enough yet.

I feel the same way about plenty of organic gardening remedies. There's plenty of organic pesticides, for example, that I never have used in my garden and never will. I don't care if they've been used for 100 years. There are things about them that make me uncomfortable and, therefore, I won't use them. It is easy to fall into the trap of thinking that just because a product is organic instead of synthetic in nature, it must be safe to use, right? I think not. Rotenone is a case in point. Once touted as something akin to a wonder drug (wonder pesticide?) for use in an organic garden, I never felt comfortable with it, never bought it, never used it and never even stepped foot in the garden of anyone who did. Nowadays, with more research available and more knowledge of certain correlations between the use of rotenone and the diagnosis of Parkinson's Disease, for example, we know it is likely implicated in cases of Parkinson's Disease and other stuff. I say likely because correlation is not the equivalent of cause and effect. I consider this a great tragedy because I do know organic gardeners who used it in good faith for decades. It certainly is not their fault that we just didn't know enough about it back then and everyone believed it was safe to use. Really, all we can do with herbal remedies or organic products even now is to look at whatever research and knowledge are available, weigh the odds, and proceed with whatever caution we deem necessary. I'm always going to err on the side of caution, and this probably means my garden will have more damage in it and I may get a lower yield if a wicked pest hits the garden. Oh well, better to dance with the devil (the pest) you do know than with the devil (possibly unsafe products) you don't know.

Dawn
hazelinok
5 years ago
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Dawn, I forgot to say how excited I am that you have a garden cottage! That would thrill me! I've always dreamed of something like that. How fun for you!

Patti, I'm also excited for you about your new garden shed. I hope you figure out a good way to start your seeds there. I'm a little concerned about my seed shelf and cats. Our cat, Charlotte never messed with it. And Finbar did fine with it last year. We adopted him about the time I started seeds...or shortly after. However, Ms. Juno is sneaky. I may have to make some sort of protective "cage" for it.

Herbs are not always benign. I had an issue with overusing yarrow once on some canker sores. I will not repeat that mistake. I left fresh yarrow leaves in between my lip and gum overnight. Not good. Herbs are often both helpful and harmful. Careful research and attention to detail is necessary. For example, comfrey is now considered dangerous as an internal medicine. However, two herbalists that I follow, continue to use it personally as they have their entire lives (and they are both in their 70's) or at least since becoming wise women. They no longer include recipes for internal comfrey medicines in their books and such, though they personally continue to use it. I think it's important to look at the sources of the research.

Amy, glad you're feeling better. Don't overdo it.
Nancy RW (zone 7)
5 years ago
I'm being kind of cavalier with flowers and herbs this year because I have no idea what is going to reseed.

Amy, listen to HJ. Love you. Take care of yourself.

Last year was my blowout year. I planted EVERYTHING. It was truly my first real good beds gardening year. We'll see what comes up this year. The first year here, 4 years ago, I planted 4 hydrangeas in the perfect place, totally accidentally. And a clematis, and bee balms and a couple other things. WHAT an experience. SO many failures and a few successes. The thing is, I only do organic, so pests were the demise of most of my plants that failed, But what I laughed about last year was that if you plant way way too much of everything, the nasty pests can't destroy them all. So that's my path forward now.
jlhart76
5 years ago
Lol, Nancy, that's one way to think of it. Just over plant everything and at least a few will survive!

I've been trying to organize what needs to be started when, and found a lot more things I want to plant. Even if half of it sprouts, I don't have enough space. So now I'm trying to figure out where to put another bed that won't look out of place. I can't wait until we get property. Then I can put in a real garden bed and fence it off from little miss mayhem. I shouldn't complain too much, she is doing better than the puppy we brought home a year ago.
Patti Johnston
5 years ago
Evening All...

Has anyone grown Elderberries successfully? I have two plants in my yard that I think I need to transplant to a sunnier location. I was just on Simmon's Plant Farm checking out the blueberries and looked at them. How many plant would it take to make some Elderberry syrup/wine? And what is their best growing conditions?

While I'm asking, what is everyone's favorite blueberry? I'm wanting to grow some in 20 gallon Smart Pots. That way I can amend the soil as needed. A friend told me anything with blue in the title is good. What do you all think?

Dawn, thanks for the information on starting seeds. I'm going to have Larry put my shelving unit together tomorrow while I'm cooking 120 fried apple pies for our Volunteer Fire Department's 64th Annual Bean Supper. We cook 300 lbs of Navy beans, 300 lbs of ham, cornbread, all the fixin's, and dessert. We have been retired for since 2004, but n the early years, we wives were to bring 8 cherry pies (or more). Nowadays the young wives don't fix pies anymore, so we have a lot of cakes and some pies. One of the firemen's wives started fixing these fried pies years ago. She is no longer able, so for the past 10 years or so, I've been doing it. I'm hoping some young wife will want to take it on next year. I'm going to put out the word I'm retiring from fried pie duty. But we both enjoy it. It's fun to see and visit with friends we no longer see very much. I'm hoping I'll be able to get out Sunday afternoon to do some more tilling. The weather is supposed to be nice tomorrow and Sunday before we fall into the deep freeze once more.

Patti
Nancy RW (zone 7)
5 years ago
Bruce is growing elderberries successfully, isn't that right, all? I got some from 360 farms last year and planted two. They lived, but we'll see if they're still growing this year. GDW mowed one over early on. Not good.

Gosh, Patti. I've got six blueberry shrubs in a raised heavily amended bed. This is their third year so I'm very hopeful. But you know for the life of me, I cannot remember which two varieties I got! I know that's no help at all, except as a reminder to myself to keep better records! I've got mine growing in only about 3-4 hrs sunlight a day, from about 10-1-2 pm. They put out just a very few blueberries their second year.
hazelinok
5 years ago
Your fried apple pies sound delicious, Patti.

I got a 20 gallon Smart Pot from the home and garden show last week. Blueberries are a good idea...I was wondering what to plant in it. I love blueberries and buy them almost every week. Organic blueberries aren't cheap.

I'm going to try again with elderberries, Patti.

Other than seed ordering, not much gardening going on here. There were a couple of seed racks and seed starting accessories across from the paint mixing area at Lowes. I kept wandering over there, just touching the seed packets. LOL. It took a lot to stay focused on my paint purchase.
Nancy RW (zone 7)
5 years ago
I remember, Patti and HJ, that Dawn warned much of OK is just too hot for blueberries. But Eileen went to visit a farm up north of Tulsa that was growing berries--including blueberries. I was doubtful about it and asked her in detail, and sure enough, they had shade cloths over the blueberries. I have a good and trusted gardening friend here who warned me it would be too hot here for them (and they DO great in MN and WY--what does that tell ya), so heeding Dawn's warnings and Scott's, I put them where they were only gonna get a bit of sun, and you know what, they seem to be thriving--I'll report back later this year.
Rebecca (7a)
5 years ago
I know there are varieties of blueberries that grow well here, because mom buys a flat of them every spring at Carmichael’s. Local ones. But they are cultivated, hybrid berries, or those giant sour blue marbles that I can’t stand lol. The tiny sweet wild ones, we are way too hot for. I buy those frozen, because I think they taste so much better.

Now I want to make blueberry muffins.
Patti Johnston
5 years ago
My friend is a retired OSU/OKC Horticulture Professor that advised me about what blueberry variety to plant. Her place is down in the MWC area-probably close to 80 miles south and east of me. She planted 70 blueberries in Smart Pots on a drop irrigation system 3-4 years ago. Her’s are in full sun and I think they are doing ok. I planted three plants last year but only one survived that hard last freeze. I’m going to try again With a few more plants.

Also, does anyone grow thornless blackberries? Again I planted a row four years ago and they’ve done great! But when I prune out the dead canes, the planting is really sparse. Do you continually have to replan? I’ve got a bunch of plants that I can dig up and move back to the row, but is that what i can expect? I need to keep the planting neat as its right outside my living room window. My whole backyard is raised beds and fruit plantings. So no weedy beds . I’m out there practily all day but I spent 44 years as a school administrative assistant dreaming of doing this. I’m so thankful to be able to do what I’m doing. And with that, I’m going to bed. Got fried pies to make!!!

Patti
Rebecca (7a)
5 years ago
I’m watching LivePD, and a deputy from Williamson county, TX is checking out a car parked at Lowe’s next to a loaded Bonnie display. She says she was waiting to meet a friend for dinner, and thought she’d buy a few things, but didn’t know they were closed. Lot is empty and store is mostly dark! But, the fully loaded Bonnie display got me. Tomatoes even! That’s where you need to go, Dawn!
AmyinOwasso/zone 6b
5 years ago
I got seeds yesterday! All 3 that I have ordered from came at the same time. Ron and I have been talking a bit. How are we going to save the garden/potted plants/seed starts from the dog. He's about ready to get rid of her, she keeps getting out of the fence.

Is the point of growing blueberries in smart pots for drainage? Acid soil? Just a space thing?
jlhart76
5 years ago
It was such a nice day that I got out and played in the dirt. Pulled up the border and expanded the bed along the house. My newest plan is to plant perennials along the house, then annuals and some pepper plants in front. Then further down I can put some tomatoes, with basil and flowers, though I may do like Dawn (I think) suggested and underplant with carrot and lettuce.
Okiedawn OK Zone 7
Original Author
5 years ago
My uncle grew blueberries just fine southeast of me in Texas---mostly east and only a little south and about 160 miles from here. His plants were growing in acidic soil, in an area with a higher water table (very close to the lake but not lakefront as there was one lot between their place and the lake) and tons of huge tall pines, so his blueberries were true understory plants growing in humid dappled shade, no full sun, and they were very happy. They produced well there because he had the specific microcIimate and soil they needed. I suspect the heavily dappled shade kept them quite a bit cooler than they would have been in full sun or even in morning sun and afternoon shade. He grew the rabbiteye types and grew multiple varieties to spread out the harvest. His plants were huge and produced heavily. They put up tons of blueberries in the deep freezes every year.

Anyone and everyone I know in Oklahoma who has attempted to grow blueberries here eventually has lost the war to keep them alive, usually between about year 4 and year 7. I think it is the exceptionally hot and exceptionally dry year that will get them even after they are established for a few years and producing well enough to please whoever is growing them. I think people in the northeastern quadrant of the state likely have the best chance of growing blueberries successfully.

Amy, The blueberries need a very specific soil pH that most of us here in OK do not have naturally and they need perfectly draining soil but then it also has to be able to hold enough moisture in the hotter weather. I suspect the Smart Pots with the drip irrigation system are to allow for great drainage and also to make regular irrigation easier to manage. It also is easier to provide the soil-less mix they need in Smart Pots than in the ground or in raised beds that include native soil, especially if a person has clay.

Blueberries are a total impossibility here where I live because we have not only high pH soil but very high pH water. If I ever say I am going to try to grow blueberries here in hot, dry, high pH southern OK, y'all should tell me I need to have my head examined.

Patti, Well now you've gone and done it. Here is is after midnight, the grandkids are having a slumber party in the living room, and I now am craving a fried pie. I doubt I could go into the kitchen and make a fried pie of any sort without waking up the children, so I guess I won't have a pie right now. (grin)

Thorneless blackberries do not seem as resilient to me as the ones with thorns. I don't know why that is. Voles eat my blackberry roots (but don't touch the wild dewberry roots) so I've given up trying to grow them here. I'd have a much bigger and better garden if the voles would just leave my plants alone. That's never going to happen though.

Rebecca, Williamson County is further than I would drive even if they have tomato plants. Anyhow, they will have them in the DFW metroplex soon enough if I have the urge to get a couple of early plants, and so far I don't have the urge. Some years they have them down there around the end of January and other years not until mid-February. I still feel like this cold weather is going to hang on and hang on for weeks yet and I'm not going to get in a big hurry with anything.

Amy, Aww, poor Honey. If y'all decide not to keep her, I hope you can find her a nice home. All of our dogs that were diggers eventually outgrew the digging, but it took a few years. Jersey always has been such a wild runner, an escape artist and a digger. She finally has settled down, and that almost makes me sad because it is old age that has settled her down. She is about to turn 12 years old and not only is her whole face going white but so are her paws and legs. She used to be almost solid brown. Now she is brown, gray and white. Why is it that by the time a high-energy dog finally calms down to a reasonable level, he or she has one foot in the grave? Aurora still tells me almost daily that she misses Jet, and asks why he had to die. She wasn't even that attached to him because he was sort of a grumpy old dog. She adores Jersey and Jersey adores her and she hangs all over Jersey all the time. I cannot imagine what it will do to that child when Jersey crosses the Rainbow Bridge someday.

Jen, Underplanting really does rock. I love being able to squeeze 3 crops into the space of 1.

Well, there was nothing garden related for me today or even yesterday. Here is my non-gardening Saturday with the grandkids: breakfast, grocery store, feed store, home for lunch, playing and watching TV, off to the park to play on the playground, ice cream at DQ (it is across the road from the park in Gainesville), a late afternoon movie (The Kid Who Would Be King), home for dinner, more playing, TV and then bedtime. This includes Jersey practically sitting on top of the girls so they will give her their total attention. Where would I have squeezed in any time to even contemplate gardening? Heck, Wal-mart or TSC could have had tomato plants and I wouldn't even have noticed because I was doing my best to not lose the grandchildren while at the stores. Tim is always the most worn out on the weekends we have the girls and he always goes to bed first. It is exhausting keeping up with them so I totally get it.

Dawn
Patti Johnston
5 years ago
Good Afternoon All...

The man who started the Smart Pot is from Guthrie and they are made on the Broadway Extension in OKC. He came to our Master Gardener meeting a couple of months ago and told how he started the business and showed slides of applications. The wonderful garden supply company, Gardeners Supply, contacted him years ago to sell in their catalog. They were showcasing them to grow potatoes. I guess the soil in the northeast isn't real good for root vegetables and they thought potatoes would be great. Then people started growing other things in them and Whammo!! they were off to the races. A large portion of his business is to tree nurseries. They put them in the pots along with drip irrigation with great success. He showed acres and acres of plants growing. Growers in Florida really likes them too.

I'll be seeing Julia in February and I'll ask her how her blueberries are doing. Growing in Smart Pots, you can control the growing medium. I mixed two different materials in my wheelbarrow to plant my blueberries in. My well water-I haven't tested it since we filled in the swimming pool, but I'm sure I probably need to water with a water can once month with something to fix the PH. Has anyone used the for home use PH meters with success?

Well, my beans that we brought home from the bean supper have cooled so I need to eat lunch and then get outside in this fabulous weather. Let's see, what to do: till all my raised beds, run the mower over the 60+ bags of leaves we got last year, dig up all the blackberry plants that have come up in an adjacent bed and transplant back into their bed, go clean up around the fruit trees behind the cedar trees-if I get them cleaned up enough I can plant the daffodil bulbs I intended to plant earlier, etc, etc, etc. What to do!!!!

Patti
Okiedawn OK Zone 7
Original Author
5 years ago
Patti, I vote for planting the daffodil bulbs first! I hope you got at least that much done.

I might work in the front garden later this week. Honestly, I spent all of last spring and summer mulching, mulching, mulching, adding new mulch wherever and whenever I noticed any thinning of the mulch. Everything in the front garden is so heavily mulched that there's not even many winter weeds sprouting, so my garden pretty much is ready for planting, except I need to pull out the remains of last year's plants, which I left standing for the birds and other creatures. Since going no-till with the front garden, all I have to do is rake back the mulch and sow seeds or transplant plants into the ground, which really is not going to take too long to do when the time comes. Then I'll add more mulch. The back garden is a different story---it needs a lot of work and I dread going back there and starting on it. I am thinking that cleaning up the back garden might be our project for this coming weekend. I dread the next few cold mornings and likely will be hibernating indoors like a bear in a cave. The afternoons might warm up enough to allow some gardening.

I garden largely by instinct, and jokingly refer to those instincts as the voices in my head. Well, the voices in my head have been cautioning me for months to go slow and to not get in any hurry to plant this winter/early spring, so I am trying really hard to listen to them and to avoid rushing anything too quickly out there in the garden. Most years I feel comfortable putting the plants into the ground fairly early and covering them up if cold weather threatens. This year is not one of those years, at least not yet. When the voices in my head reverse course and start making me feel like I need to be doing things, then I'll do them.

Dawn

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