January 2019, Week 2, Making Grow Lists & Checking Them Twice
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Making a list and checking it twice..[g]...moist vs dry?
Comments (9)I'm probably the last person who should talk to you about drought tolerant plants since I garden in heavy moisture retaining clay and seldom water any perennials. Also you don't mention what kind of soil or other growing conditions (such as sun/shade) that individual plants receive and this can make a huge difference. FWIS, here are some notes on your list based on my experiences. Viburnums tolerate damp clay soils well and are planted in full sun in my yard. After establishment they seldom need watering. Hydrangeas like it in my yard in somewhat drier areas in part shade. Roses like rich soil and sun, but seem fairly tolerant of dry conditions, especially the shrub ones I grow (no hybrid teas in my garden). Joe Pye grows much taller and lusher in wet areas, often seen around the outside edges of ponds and such. Grows shorter and more manageable nearer my house (in drier soil) but would probably need watering in dry spells. Clematis and hostas grow best with a nice steady water supply. Depends a lot on sun/shade amounts and the individual variety. Hosta Guacamole grows in hot afternoon sun on the west side of the house for me but others would fry in those conditions. Super vigorous clems like tanguticas and Sweet Autumn do fine in poor soil and little water for me, but most like really rich soil and some fertilizer along with adequate watering. Clethra and Sambucus (a cutleaf all green variety) shrubs grow in my wet garden in full sun. Clethra is often listed as a shade/part shade plant for damp soils, but does great in full sun in my wet soil and zone 5 sun. Sambucus is tolerant of most soils but I have no idea how sensitive to water needs your gold and black ones are. Mine grows like a weed in quite wet conditions. Astilbes like quite a bit of water. I grow some in part shade to heavy shade with drier soil & some in full sun in my wet garden. Primulas vary by type. I can easily grow the water loving candelabra types, like japonica or the P. x bulleesiana & P. pubescens, but P. vulgaris wastes away for me in my wet soil, can't keep it at all. Can't grow asclepsias at all. Hate my yard. Lilies are mostly planted in the top garden near the house in as loose a loamy soil as I can give them. Don't seem to mind water during bloomtime, but like it dry over winter. Asters love my soil and seed around in the duff everywhere. I never seem to get any mildew on any, so maybe the extra wet soil makes a difference there. The same with phlox. I plant them in drier areas but in lightly amended clay soil which retains moisture well and seldom have mildew. Ferns depend on type. Gray ones like Japanese Painted fern seem to like it on the dry side, while my Cinnamon Fern and Ostrich ferns like it really wet. I did have some burning on my Cinnamon ferns planted on the east side of the house in part shade this summer when we had no rain for five weeks. Ostrich ferns live in my wet garden & had no problem. Another favorite fern, Lady fern, is in shadier and somewhat drier conditions in my yard & appears to be in the middle somewhere in water needs. Siberian Iris, although it likes water much more than bearded iris and can tolerate more shade, actually prefers the slighly drier spots in my garden. I had a bit of trouble finding just the right spot for them. I think I was giving them too poor a soil. They are currently going gangbusters in a RAISED full sun area with rich garden soil and getting some extra watering from overhead lawn sprinklers. So go figure... I have three 10 plus year old hollies (Ilex) doing well in a raised, dry, full shade bed almost under the eaves. Ilex glabra (deciduous) likes the wet shrub area of the yard. Virginia Bluebells are a great spring ephemeral for my type garden. Easily tolerates the wettish soil (not standing water) around my wet garden. I grow it in full sun, but it also likes woodland shade. Japanese Maple (the cutleaf type) is somewhat iffy for my garden, having died out even in a raised bed here. Had a really large beautiful one in another house in an in-close suburb here that did beautiful. I'd said moderate only moisture. Lady's Mantle loves my garden, in sun, shade, wet, dry, droughts, floods, everything. Also seeds everywhere. No problem at all in heavy soils that hold water, but have no idea how it holds up to drought in dry soils. Lobelia, again, depends on the type. Red cardinal flower no variety name planted bare-root from a nature group, loves my wet garden, however a named nursery variety rotted out. Queen Victoria, a dark foliaged variety, lived quite nicely on the top of the hill above the wet garden in quite a dry spot, but again in amended clay soil. Various bedding lobelias (annuals) have also had mixed results in the ground here. Have not yet tried blue lobelia (syphlitica), supposed to like dampish soils. Pulmonarias seem to like somewhat dryish soils in part shade, but I did have some small scorching on Excalibur, an almost all silver variety this year during the drought. Shasta daisies only grow in my yard in very dry areas near the house. Mums also like it dry, especially over winter, but are not as fussy for me as is shasta daisy. Becky has done well for me, as has a small dwarf variety, both growing and spreading well. Alaska won't even return one year for me. Hope this helps. Leslie...See MoreMaking a list...checking it twice
Comments (6)I was in your shoes not too long ago! Still not quite finished though. Check out the thread I linked. I asked about things to remember too and found this very helpful. How much are you responsible for buying? I took care of just about everything visible, so I had a long list! Check return periods before you start buying. I wanted to have some time left to return stuff after the GC started in case I got the wrong thing, wouldn't fit, etc. many places are 30 days, so I ordered most things 10-14 days before demo. I wanted it all on site to refer to specs if needed as well as not slow anything down. Lowes and HD have a more generous policy, so I got a ton of little odds and ends there, like outlets and covers, so I can return the excess. Also saved me when my $180 fan they promised would work with the switch I had in fact did not work, so at 6 weeks I can take it back! Here's what I ordered that I remember: ELECTRIC: recessed lights and housings (Ecosmart from HD, takes a while so order ahead), UCL (Environmentallights.com, took about a week), dimmers/switches/outlets/covers, GFI outlets (be sure any dimmers are compatible with the lights you have/buy), shallow metal junction boxes for hardwiring UCL and plugmold, blank covers for shallow junction boxes SINK: aside from the sink, GD, new GD connector, GD flange (wanted a nicer one than it comes with), strainer for drain, air switch, DW leak pan, sink grids/accessories, place for little veggie scrubbers, sink cabinet liner for drips CABINETS: door pulls, any interior organization you want attached by cabinet guys, garbage cans/bins for new design, any utensil holders/etc you want to use, drawer/shelf liner if needed MISC: paint, trim, flooring and subfloor if needed plus any prep materials, UV window film to protect new floors if needed, fan or pendants if needed, anti fatigue mat, walk off rug at door, fire extinguisher I also got some great microfiber cloths at Lowes for wiping the cabinets and a new mop, broom, and dustpan to motivate myself to keep it all clean (the old ones were 11 years old and cheap, so it was time!). Seems like I had a lot more here, but a lot of it was the cabinets, and then some was for the powder room, so this might be about it. Keep all the receipts together and stack it all neatly so you can still breath when it's all there :-) Here is a link that might be useful: Other thread about stuff to get...See MoreMaking my (2017) list, checking it twice....
Comments (20)A few years back a hosta grower in Illinois proposed a swap--her hostas for my daylillies, both of our own choosing. After posting a few years on GW, she sent me 'Queen of the Seas' (I'm an avid windjammer sailor), 'Touch of Class' (I'm guessing because I can spell and she's not so great at it), and a few others that she selected based on my GW posts over the years, I reciprocated by sending her "personality-specific" daylilies from the garden bed my brother planted 20+ years ago. Hosta lovers are lifetime devotees. What's not to love? windymess - I also have 'Minuteman' on your list (above) as well as Revolution, Patriot, Liberty, Independence and the others named for the anniversary of the American Revolution. All are consistently top performers in my southern New England garden beds. My soil is slightly acidic sandy loam, they're planted in partial shade and unless climate change delivers a nasty surprise or two, we receive sufficient rainfall and/or snow each year to sustain them....See MoreJanuary 2019, Week 4, Getting the Itch To Plant Something, Anything...
Comments (50)My uncle grew blueberries just fine southeast of me in Texas---mostly east and only a little south and about 160 miles from here. His plants were growing in acidic soil, in an area with a higher water table (very close to the lake but not lakefront as there was one lot between their place and the lake) and tons of huge tall pines, so his blueberries were true understory plants growing in humid dappled shade, no full sun, and they were very happy. They produced well there because he had the specific microcIimate and soil they needed. I suspect the heavily dappled shade kept them quite a bit cooler than they would have been in full sun or even in morning sun and afternoon shade. He grew the rabbiteye types and grew multiple varieties to spread out the harvest. His plants were huge and produced heavily. They put up tons of blueberries in the deep freezes every year. Anyone and everyone I know in Oklahoma who has attempted to grow blueberries here eventually has lost the war to keep them alive, usually between about year 4 and year 7. I think it is the exceptionally hot and exceptionally dry year that will get them even after they are established for a few years and producing well enough to please whoever is growing them. I think people in the northeastern quadrant of the state likely have the best chance of growing blueberries successfully. Amy, The blueberries need a very specific soil pH that most of us here in OK do not have naturally and they need perfectly draining soil but then it also has to be able to hold enough moisture in the hotter weather. I suspect the Smart Pots with the drip irrigation system are to allow for great drainage and also to make regular irrigation easier to manage. It also is easier to provide the soil-less mix they need in Smart Pots than in the ground or in raised beds that include native soil, especially if a person has clay. Blueberries are a total impossibility here where I live because we have not only high pH soil but very high pH water. If I ever say I am going to try to grow blueberries here in hot, dry, high pH southern OK, y'all should tell me I need to have my head examined. Patti, Well now you've gone and done it. Here is is after midnight, the grandkids are having a slumber party in the living room, and I now am craving a fried pie. I doubt I could go into the kitchen and make a fried pie of any sort without waking up the children, so I guess I won't have a pie right now. (grin) Thorneless blackberries do not seem as resilient to me as the ones with thorns. I don't know why that is. Voles eat my blackberry roots (but don't touch the wild dewberry roots) so I've given up trying to grow them here. I'd have a much bigger and better garden if the voles would just leave my plants alone. That's never going to happen though. Rebecca, Williamson County is further than I would drive even if they have tomato plants. Anyhow, they will have them in the DFW metroplex soon enough if I have the urge to get a couple of early plants, and so far I don't have the urge. Some years they have them down there around the end of January and other years not until mid-February. I still feel like this cold weather is going to hang on and hang on for weeks yet and I'm not going to get in a big hurry with anything. Amy, Aww, poor Honey. If y'all decide not to keep her, I hope you can find her a nice home. All of our dogs that were diggers eventually outgrew the digging, but it took a few years. Jersey always has been such a wild runner, an escape artist and a digger. She finally has settled down, and that almost makes me sad because it is old age that has settled her down. She is about to turn 12 years old and not only is her whole face going white but so are her paws and legs. She used to be almost solid brown. Now she is brown, gray and white. Why is it that by the time a high-energy dog finally calms down to a reasonable level, he or she has one foot in the grave? Aurora still tells me almost daily that she misses Jet, and asks why he had to die. She wasn't even that attached to him because he was sort of a grumpy old dog. She adores Jersey and Jersey adores her and she hangs all over Jersey all the time. I cannot imagine what it will do to that child when Jersey crosses the Rainbow Bridge someday. Jen, Underplanting really does rock. I love being able to squeeze 3 crops into the space of 1. Well, there was nothing garden related for me today or even yesterday. Here is my non-gardening Saturday with the grandkids: breakfast, grocery store, feed store, home for lunch, playing and watching TV, off to the park to play on the playground, ice cream at DQ (it is across the road from the park in Gainesville), a late afternoon movie (The Kid Who Would Be King), home for dinner, more playing, TV and then bedtime. This includes Jersey practically sitting on top of the girls so they will give her their total attention. Where would I have squeezed in any time to even contemplate gardening? Heck, Wal-mart or TSC could have had tomato plants and I wouldn't even have noticed because I was doing my best to not lose the grandchildren while at the stores. Tim is always the most worn out on the weekends we have the girls and he always goes to bed first. It is exhausting keeping up with them so I totally get it. Dawn...See Morejlhart76
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