Congratulations! What wonderful news to start the New Year on!

That's what I mean about him being empathetic..he's having faux morning sickness. I hear some men actually go through that.

You’re right on target, Erasmus. It’s kind of a family joke, about my SIL. If a few men get faux morning sickness, he’s likely to be one of them! Lol. Lisa

I still remember the labor pain!!! Why can’t guys have babies?!

I agree Summers! I’ve heard it said that if the man and woman had to take turns giving birth to their children, the most any couple would have is three. The woman would go through it again, but the man NEVER would! Lisa

Lisa, that is such good news. What a clever way of telling you.

Welcome to the Nanas' Club, Lisa. It's a great group, and entitles you to show grandchild photos on the forum, along with unlimited bragging rights. Congratulations--you're going to love it. Diane

Wooo!! Congrats .... so thrilling! Love from England xxxxx

How exciting! Congratulations to your daughter and SIL and to you, too. Your lives will change for the better when this little one is born.

Congratulations, Lisa! Exciting and wonderful news.

That is brilliant news Lisa. You will love being a grandmama.

Daisy

My daughter lost the baby today. Lisa

Oh Lisa, I'm so sorry.... please pass on to her and her husband our sympathy. So very sad for you. Hugs to you all. xxx

Oh, my, I am so sorry--for you, Lisa, and your daughter and her husband. I wish I could express myself better, but I am thinking of you and am crushed for you. Diane

So sad for you all, Lisa.

Oh my, I'm so sorry for you all Lisa!. My condolences and prayer for you and your family and your daughter.

Oh Lisa, I am so sorry.

What a sad start to the new year for your daughter and son-in-law and you. I'm sorry.

Tragic... very sorry to hear this news Lisa... best wishes to you all for the future...

I’m so sorry for this news Lisa. My thoughts and prayers are with your family right now.

I'm so very sorry, Lisa. My thoughts are with you and your family.

So sorry to hear this, Lisa. What a hard thing for all of you.

I’m so sorry Lisa .. I know so many hearts must be broken over this .. we will be praying !

Dear Lisa

Gutted to hear the news. Sending you the biggest hug and my thoughts and prayers are with your family xxxxxx

Oh Lisa, this breaks my heart for all of you.

Praying for everyone.

So sorry to hear about your family's loss. I will be praying for all of you.

I'm so sorry to hear this Lisa. Hopefully, next time will work out. I know your daughter will be a great mother as you will be a great grandmother down the road!

I am really sorry for your loss, Lisa! And I am sure you are very grieved right now over this. Do you know whether your daughter had a flu shot within the last 2 months? I hope you don't mind my asking. Evidently flu shots have been found to cause higher rates of miscarriages in pregnant women. I have a young cousin whose wife had lost their babies within the first trimester after receiving the flu shots. THis happened twice to them until I told them about the effect of the flu shots on pregnancy. Since I warned them, the cousin's wife is pregnant again but this time my cousin makes sure that she is not pressured into getting the flu shots by accompanying her to every OBGYN visist. So far so good. They are expecting their baby in March. Here are links to articles and videos that discuss about this study.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MULVmS6NqJs

https://worldmercuryproject.org/news/cdc-study-shows-7-7-fold-greater-odds-miscarriage-influenza-vaccine/

https://kellybroganmd.com/rejecting-flu-vaccine-in-pregnancy/

Sorry to hear this news Lisa. Time will heal. Pray for your family.

Thank you for your kind words and thoughts, everyone. What a high and low, in such a short amount of time. My daughter is of course, very devastated. I was SO looking forward to being a grandma to this baby.

Karen, you’ve stirred my interest. I know she did receive a flu shot. I’m just not sure when. It may have been just before she became pregnant. I think I remember her saying that she received a special type, because she’s a nurse and works in the hospital. I’ll ask her about it today or tomorrow. She keeps asking herself why this happened, when she was so careful about everything.

Thanks for all the support. I’m just so sad for them, and myself. Lisa

Flu shots are recommended for pregnant women. The CDC advice is safest.

Sheila, that maybe true many years ago! Now, it is doubtful that the CDC's interest is the welfare and health of the general public. The CDC is now too much influenced by pharmaceutical companies. Too many people working in high positions in the CDC have some ties or connections to big pharmaceutical companies in some form or another. As a result they place these companies' interests and profits above the wellbeing of the public. If you read the manufacturers inserts regarding the flu vaccines, you will find that there has been NO safety studies done on the effect of vaccines on pregnant women or the fetuses. While pregnant women are told to eat healthy foods free from pesticides and chemicals, do not smoke or drink alcohol, they are never told that vaccines can cause adverse reactions in some people. Vaccine after all is partly made up of chemical substances! Although peanut is a healthy food in general, it is deadly to those who are allergic to them. My cousin bless his heart and efforts had spent over 30K in testings as advised by his OBGYN to find out what might have caused the miscarriages. And the tests found nothing! I understand that it is hard to discover and accept that a government agency fails the public as I too was once a believer of the CDC's recommendations and all its literature. Unfortunately, as with any human organization, corruption will find its way in when there is a great deal of money and profits to be made.

I left my tinfoil hat at home, but am confident the mother, who is a nurse, knows best about flu shots while pregnant.

A delicate subject but recent tests by the Imperial College London suggests that it may not always be women's health, that is the issue with repeated miscarriages, but rather men's sperm health, so whilst we look at pointing a finger of suspicion towards flu jabs or something else connected with women, another possible cause can get overlooked...

It seems that male sperm has a lot to do with the health of the fetus.. and if there are miscarriages then the man should get himself checked out too...

Article in The Guardian, UK

Thank you all again for your support. Cynthia, I’m especially touched by you sharing your experience. I’m so glad you have 2 beautiful 16 year olds, now. She’s experiencing much of those “what could I have done wrong” thoughts, even though she knows she “did everything right”. I spent the evening with them yesterday, and she’s doing much better. She said that yesterday it was as if her hormones stabilized and she suddenly felt more in control of her emotions, and more like her regular self mentally. Overnight she became more rational and less prone to suddenly breaking down into tears.

We had a very good visit. After talking about it initially, we were able to talk about “regular stuff” and enjoy being together. I was overjoyed to see her eat 3 small helpings of her favorite childhood casserole. She was saying she hadn’t had much appetite, so initially took a small serving. She loved it, had a second small helping, and then a third. It’s a small thing, but it made me feel like I was able to do at least something for her. This morning she sent me a picture of herself and kitty, Champ, eating my chicken broccoli casserole for breakfast! She’s definitely on the road to recovery, and I’m very happy to see it. She takes her state exam for her RN license Saturday morning, and has an interview at a local hospital on Monday afternoon. She feels ready, and said she was actually glad for the distraction of studying for her license, during these past few days.

I’m going to wait until later to mention the above information to her. There’s plenty of time, and I don’t want to distract her right now. I WILL tell her about it, and then she can research and decide for herself. I don’t know all the answers here, but I’m all for her being made aware, and then deciding for herself. I appreciate ALL information, controversial included. I’m sure she’ll feel the same. What she does with that information, is up to her.

Thanks so very much everyone. You’re being “with” me, has meant a lot. Lisa

Lisa I am so sorry. During the holiday season the loss must be especially painful. I don't know how helpful it is for total strangers to send their sympathy and compassion, but you have mine. You have a wonderful loving, giving family. I hope that you will find hope and peace through support of one another. My thoughts and prayers are with you.

Lisa, I'm so very glad your daughter is feeling better after what had to be a harrowing event for her, as well as for you and all those who love you both. I did not want to say this before, because it seemed insensitive and callous, but perhaps now it may be a comfort to think that this might have been nature's way of causing some sadness now rather than heartbreak later. No one really knows, but it was touching that something you cooked made your daughter feel better and perhaps served to reconnect her to all the good things that she has in her life, not the least of which is her mom's caring and love.

You said that so well, Ingrid. Everyone here has really touched me with their kind comments. This is really why I love this forum... the connections are real even if we've never met one another.

Please do encourage your daughter not to think her flu shot had anything to do with the loss of the baby. Flu shots are not only safe for pregnant women, but actively encouraged. A newborn baby will share in the mother's immunity when first born.

There are many, many reasons for miscarriages, and most of them have nothing to do with anything the mother did.

I love your comment Ingrid—-I was thinking the same thing—-what a wonderful loving mom you are, Lisa! You are walking through this with her, and all your mom instincts are spot on. There’s plenty time to sort through the “whys” but all that matters right now is being there for each other. I can’t help but admire the closeness you and your daughter share, and know that this will only strengthen your bond. You, your daughter and your family will continue to be in my prayers. :-)

Thanks again everyone. Ingrid, your comment is so true. I imagine that the later the loss comes, the harder it is. She’s doing much better, and in turn, so am I.

She took her ENCLEX this morning for her nursing license. She feels pretty good about how it went. The computerized test is anywhere between 75-300 questions. Her test cut her off at exactly 75 questions. That’s probably a good sign. She said it was a very difficult test with all or mostly “chose all that apply” type questions. The answer to each question could be between one or all 5 of the choices. I’m pretty sure she did just fine. Her license should be posted online Monday or Tuesday.

Sheila, I haven’t even mentioned the flu shot to her, yet. There’s no rush, and she has enough to think about right now. She seems to be getting past the “what did I do wrong?” stage, and I don’t want to stir those feelings up again. At some point I will mention it, and she can check into it herself. I’m sure she’ll do the right thing.

Thank you all again for your support. Everything was kept pretty quiet, from the good news to the bad, so it was good for me to have all of you here for me. Lisa

Trust me there are many caring Medical Doctors who are working for people's health betterment all over the world, and even on this forum. I'm sorry you have had bad experiences Karen. There are helpers at the CDC and many government agencies who deserve respect.

I am so sorry for your daughter's loss but I agree with Ingrid. I lost my first baby very late, in the 8th month so it was counted as a stillbirth. It was devastating and I cried for four days but I realized later that it may have been for the best after all. I had my daughter the next year and my son two years later. They are now 47 and 45 and have given me five grandchildren aged 22 to 9.

My eldest granddaughter went to Paris by bus yesterday (that's what environmentally conscious vegans do). She hopes to stay for six months and get a job in a café before coming back to Sweden and go to university. I worry about her but not much and the worry is different from the worry about one's children.

I don't know if this means anything, lol but when I took NCLEX after getting my BSN, the computer turned off after exactly 75 questions as well. I really felt like I had passed and I did :) I'm sure she did fine.

Its a bad time to have to take boards though after such an emotional and physical trauma. I can't imagine having to do that but rescheduling the test is also kinda nerve-racking.

I lost my first two to miscarriages but ended up with three great babies. There's a ton of things that can go wrong and they don't always know the reason. The first that I lost, the physician thought maybe it was due to Rh incompatability. I am blood type O neg and the fetus A positive, so I had to get RhoGAM afterwards.

The second, they didnt know why. It really can be any little thing that occurs on that long pathway to full fetal development.

My best wishes to your family.

Thank you both for sharing your stories. It’s obvious that so many have been through this sorrow. Even all these years later, I want to say that I’m sorry for all your losses. I can’t imagine losing a baby at 8 months gestation, or going through multiple miscarriages. What bravery it must have taken for all of you to try again. Yet, your experiences give great hope. My daughter has always talked about adopting a child, wether she could carry one herself or not. My children’s father was adopted, and my daughter always wanted to give a child a good life, who might otherwise not have a loving family. I suspect I’ll be a grandma someday, one way or another.

I’ve really been touched by all your support and the sharing of your personal stories. We’re slowly healing emotionally, and she’s healing physically very well. I finally put the picture I received as my “Best Christmas Gift Ever”, away a few days ago.

I’m encouraged by your NCLEX experience, SJN. She joked about being cut off at 75 questions, being either a very good sign, or a VERY BAD sign. I’m pretty sure it’s the former. She had nothing but “A’s” through the entire program, and feels good about how the test went. Today she has an interview at the hospital nearest my home. The nursing license should be posted online tomorrow, if all went well. We’re waiting with baited breath, but I’d be shocked if she didn’t pass. (I hope I don’t end up regretting saying that.) Lisa

And here’s Annie Laurie McDowell on Saturday, just to add some MORE beauty to this thread. Lisa