Skip, are you still thinking about growing goat's rue? Tephrosia virginiana? It's a host plant for the Southern Cloudywing Butterfly. It only gets 12 inches tall. Don't you have a couple other legumes, the Lespedeza and something else?

If you are going to do something, then do it BIG and make a lot of noise!!!

Yeah I have a bunch of legumes! Baptisia australis, the aforementioned Amorpha canescens, Lupinus perennis, Astragalus canadensis, Desmodium canadense, and Senna hebecarpa. Plus I am trying to start seeds for Lathyrus venosus, and the Thermopsis villosa you sent. I have a couple packs of partridge pea I might direct sow somewhere.

I havent decided to get the Tephrosia yet

I would opt out for now. We both have enough lol! If you still miss it next year....... It is beautiful, I love it, but I've got some other new legumes that I love too. I might do some milkjugs. I prefer the nuts already shelled in the bag to the nuts that are hard to crack. I'm very tempted by that Tephrosia.

I'm looking for a good book that explains latin names. Can anyone recommend one? The 2 genera Lithops and Pseudolithos. I'm assuming lithos means stone in latin. I tried googling it but couldn't come up with anything. Some people on here seem to know a lot about the names, but where did they learn it? I should go check out the library and be a nerd. They must have something!

I've always thought it would be cool to be at a great native nursery and have free reign to take everything I want. What I'll have next spring wll be close to that feeling!

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Jay-you really should grow the R. maxima. Although few flowers, it stands out in the landscape. Tall and lanky with a large cone at top. I had some over winter form when I livied in Z4a, but they disappeared a ffew years later.

Here's the real beauty in the landscape!

Filipendula rubra Queen of the Prairie

I tried growing it once but it spread too much for my small garden. I don't have room for the cabbage leaf helianthus maxymillieii ether. I do have room for 'Henry Eiler's' Rudbeckia. Seeds aren't available, I might order a plant. I wish I had more open space where I could grow queen of the prairie and it wouldn't be crowding something else out!

How weird is that? All the pictures in this thread have disappeared for me again. Yesterday they were missing but I saw them later. No problem seeing pictures in other topics. Jay, I already ordered the sunflower (and a couple of other things) to be shipped to me beginning of April. Wanted to make sure they wouldn’t run out of them before I order....

You need the pictures. They tell the story.

If you do make it there expect some of this.......

I know I do! It’s just really weird. I could see morpho butterflies yesterday, now I don’t. Don’t see the pictures I posted either. It’s just in this thread though.

Maybe it's compressed. You might have to add comments at the top. I saw how many comments there were. About as many as the number of plastic bins I have lol. I haven't had any problems seeing the pictures. I accidentally deleted a couple comments. It happened so fast, I just bumped the phone with my finger.

Where did the beautiful pic of Queen of the Prairie I just posted go?

As long as none of you is offended if I don’t compliment your pictures. There wasn’t a picture with your botanical gardens post, was there?

There were 3 pictures. It was a joke but you needed the pictures to get it. I use my phone and I don't have any problems, and I can see any image well enough to make an id.

Dang. I really don’t get it. I was just reading through a thread on the kitchen table with plenty of pictures. All visible to me.

I see the queen of the prairie. Maybe I'm overloaded? No problem, I'll just start a new one. Mine is compressed and the Morphos aren't showing. I put the last 10 bins outside and I sprinkled mycorrhizae on them. Might do some milk jugs tomorrow. The fungi will really help all the milkweeds. I'm glad I found out about it.

This grows everywhere in the woods around here. I tried growing it, but it didn't do well. I think it was too dry, and they like moist woodland soil. It would add a lot if planted with other spring ephemerals I think.

germination code E

Discovered in the wild in southern Minnesota.

Ive been thinking about trying rue-anemone for a while. I think it grows under my oaks but I'll have to search around the area before the first mowing of the year. The natural leaf mulch really helps plants like this. I was a dummy, when I moved in I raked a lot of the leaves away to try to grow a better lawn, but that just resulted in 100x more weeds. Also I removed the 2 mulberries that were providing a ton of shade and leaf mulch and the soil has become a little drier.

Hey, I'd like to try them again. Maybe I don't have as many weeds in my shade is because it's dryer here. I would be careful with the partridge peas. They can get out of hand. They grow in everything, black dirt, sand, clay, gravel. They are easy to pull. Getting back to the anemonella thalictroides 'Shoaf's Double Pink'. I think it's amazing that an isolated colony in Minnesota could morph into somthing so different. The rue anemones and the dutchman's breeches fill in around all the ephemerals.

https://www.illinoiswildflowers.info/woodland/plants/rue_anemone.htm

Butterflies that use Chamaecrista as a host plant.

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I read that northjersey article a while actually. Nature can be resilient sometimes. Lends some hope that the human impact can be mitigated.

I had an amazon gift card and ordered the Tephrosia virginiana seeds, I'll send you some if you want. Who knows what quality they'll be, I have ordered directly from this vendor in the past but they didn't have these seeds on their website and I think maybe they sell older stock on amazon. They dont supply the beneficial bacteria inoculant either. I almost ordered sensitive pea seeds from a different vendor on amazon but they wanted $10 for 10 seeds! That is ridiculous

Yeah, that is a ridiculous price for a seed factory. Not as ridiculous as 25 variegata seeds for $640. I wonder if you can order the beneficial bacteria someplace. I try to read a little about the venders. If they are here in the states and they have good reviews I'll buy from them. The venders usually from Asia aren't reliable. I waited over 2 months for some Senna obtusifolia seeds from China. Why didn't you order the Tephrosia from prairie moon? They always send innoculant. I want some seeds. :) I'm going to order this seed innoculant. It treats 8 pounds of seeds. There's more legumes that need it. I remember the Thermopsis came with innoculant. I'm going to innoculate the rest of the bins with the mycorrhizae. I have about 15, no 16 milkjugs to sow and that's not counting the annuals I'm sowing in Feb.

I wanted to use the amazon gift card for the seeds. They're sold by Roundstone Seeds (Kentucky), I've grown out their purple prairie clover and purple coneflower seeds from amazon with success. Actually their purple prairie clover was going strong in my backyard, they never flowered but I had a million of them growing just from sprinkling seeds on cleared ground. Their Goat's Rue will probably be ok. Im a tad skeptical of the inoculants honestly, I bet they will help if you are growing on freshly cleared subsoil, sand, or in a container, but if you have halfway decent topsoil already it should be teeming with microbes. Eventually the rhizobium will come (maybe lol).

I was looking at the Mt Cuba Center descriptions of Coreopsis tripteris before, do you know if the ones you sent will stand up straight, or have a tendency to flop? Actually I guess it doesnt matter I can just plant them to the north of the switchgrass and if they flop the grass will just hold them up. Deer dont like them, so they can contribute to the living wall I am planting around stuff the deer do like to eat. I am going to end up with something like Iris' mass of sunflowers, but it will be Rudbeckia laciniata, Helianthus maximiliani (maybe replacing with salicifolius), and Coreopsis tripteris. I'll throw some other huge things in their for good measure like pasture thistle and cup plant. This is going to be awesome.

I was also thinking that the bacterias will make their way to the legume roots if the soil is healthy. The plants that volunteer in other spots are healthy looking. The original tripteris plant the seeds came from stood straight up and was tall. I direct seeded my Dalea foliosa. I think I bought the 3 D. purpurea plants. I can direct sow in the sandy garden if I clear a space. I have to pull out the oxalis, Chamaecrista, and sweet Annie plants that are weedy in there. The sweet Annie I grew once about 10 years ago and the seeds are still in the soil bank.

There are even more photos which are so disturbing I won't show them. Now they are sawing off the rhinos horns while they are still alive and leaving them mutilated. All for $$$!

I try to grow these endangered species but some of them like wet soil like the Scirpus pedicellata and Boltonia decurrens, so I can't grow them. It's impossible to find seeds for Illinois most endangered plants. It's hard to understand why some of these are so rare, like the Asclepias rubra and lanceolata. A hundred seeds for $6.50 is better than a hundred for a hundred. I didn't know they used it as a supplement. I don't need to increase my lactation lol! Give him milk of the poppy! The perennial people are boring me to pieces!!! LOL

Well yeah you had thousands of years of relatively stable conditions in a particular area that gave rise to these distinct species. Now you have mankind continuoisly burning pulverized coal, natural gas and bunker oil supplied to the powerplants by pipelines big enough to stand up inside. Last time atmospheric CO2 levels were this high it was a lot hotter, and hundreds of thousands or millions of years ago. Species that aren't adapted to evolve quickly cant cope. Like these plants that takes 10 years to flower dont have enough generations in a given timespan to evolve.

I just read an article in the last week or two where some team of researchers figured out it would actually be possible to sequester all the extra CO2 from the atmosphere using scrubbers, for cheaper than they thought. Only around 4 trillion a year, and on a global GDP scale apparently that is not an unfathomable amount? If only the power companies would start building the scrubber immediately maybe we will stand a chance of surviving with a similar population beyond 2100.

This is what's out there and I'll be adding aprox. 25 more milkjugs. All the seeds and bins are recorded so I don't have a catastrophic blunder. We aren't 'normal' gardeners Skip! I can deal with it. Just face it, and embrace it.lol They are now trying to cut limits on mercury emmisions. They won't be adding scrubbers, but we will need them desperately by the time this reign of terror ends!

I dont know man, some of those people on the seed exchange have just as many if not more varieties

I never check out their trade lists. I was on the seed exchange all the time when I first joined. I was impressed by all the species that a couple members grew. If I were to view their trade lists now, it would be interesting to gauge how much I've changed after 11 years. I put in requests over there for rare seeds, but no bites. Maybe I should stock some heirloom veggie and marigold seeds. They seem to be in demand over there. I am dealing with the seed exchange now. Somhow everybody there thinks I have a bunch of partridge pea seeds to give away. I only have a few. I sent the freebee packets out at the first chance, and now I need some lol. The seeds trades have become more fun now, though I don't use the exchange to trade seeds anymore. I have a few Mexican hats that I direct sowed. They are still green so hopefully they'll survive the winter. I sprinkled mycorrhizae on all the milkweed seeds, then I mixed some in water and doused all the remaining bins. It would be too much work to take the top off each one. I guess you can have a long list of plants that you have acumulated over the years or you could be starting 200 species all at the same time. 201 species! lol.

The goat's rue that's an herbal supplement comes from a European plant Galega officinalis. It's not an attractive plant compared to the Tephrosia. I always miss things. I thought that Silene stenophylla was extinct and brought back. Actually it's been an extant species in northern Siberia all along. Can everyone see all the pictures now?

Yes its mostly horticulture selections and veggies on the seed exchange. Some people have a whole bunch of cultivars of one species, Id say that still counts as seed hording. I can see your point though, starting 20 trays of seeds, or a couple hundred bins...wait... I will find a way to rationalize this... lol. Ok, 1. square footage needs to be covered, 2. biodiversity. There.

Now that is an interesting phenomenon, when extinct or extirpated species are preserved in far away places. I feel a little sympathy and a tinge of guilty pleasure when I read about north American plants that have become invasive in Japan and China.

Roundstone has some nice seeds. The Tephrosia wasn't listed on their site. Is that were you got the Lespedeza violacea seeds? I'd still like to find seeds for our endangered bush clover. It's wild how these non native clovers have spread everywhere, at the expense of all our native legumes. I'm giving out some legume seeds I collected. Baptisia, Desmanthus, Chamaecrista, Daleas. It's for attracting more bees to their gardens, so there will be more opportunity to have their milkweeds pollinated by the bees, because only bees can pollinate milkweeds.

No pictures for me.

Iris, I put a lot of them on here just for you. I wonder what's wrong?

Yeah I got the violet bush clover, frostweed, bears foot, penstemon digitalis, showy tick trefoil, prairie clover and purple coneflower there. Thats what I was saying, they dont have the Tephrosia listed as a single species on their website but its listed in some of the seed mixes and they sell it on amazon. Same thing when I was looking there for pink muhly grass last year, its listed in 1 or 2 seed mixes and amazon, but not listed as a single species on their site.

Maybe its time to start a part 2 if this thread is overloaded with pictures for some people.

Any of our plants over there aren't my problem since it was the Europeans who ruined everything here. Not surprising that they have such a nonchalant attitude about their own natives. The exchange seems to have a lot of newbies who think that all cultivars will grow true from seed. I always find myself telling people that over there all the time. I doubt that any of them have the rare milkweeds I'm searching for on their trade lists. I've made it clear how desperate I am lol. Maybe I'll look at a few of them when I'm really bored. There doesn't seem to be much serious trading going on over there nowadays. At one time there was!

North Americas Native Peonies. They have evolved in arid conditions and they dissapear during the hot, dry summers, storing energy in their fleshy tubers. Some botanists consider P. californica a subspecies of P. brownii.

Jay, this statement makes me sad. As in bundling the Europeans up in one ball. I have been trying hard to learn about everything since I came here.

I'm not judging them all. Just the morons who brought over the invasives lol. :) But I still think that they should be more concerned for their natives, but same can be said for the people here too. I am of European decent. We have only been out of the last dark age for like 50 years. About the time we realized we were killing ourselves with all the pollution and eviromental repercussions. Their are native plant lovers in all those countries who are fighting their own battles. So it's pretty much the same everywhere. We have a member who lives in Sumatra and grows plants. It upsets her to see all the jungles plowed and drained for oil palms, but what can 1 person do by themselves. It comes down to teaching the children for the next generation!

Well. You can judge me for actually happily watering the tiny sticks along my driveway when we came here 26 years ago. They are Bradford Pears.... And even though we did learn English in school (in the How do you do instead of How are you doing way) I learned most in a crash course with cassette tapes three month before we got here and after with the morning radio show and tv. I didn’t know too much about gardening back then in the first place, and we didn’t have a real nursery close by. So I did go for the marigolds and zinnias I was familiar with in the beginning.

Invasive species are problem, whether it's tamarisk on the Colorado River, cats in the Pacific Islands, or bullfrogs in Brazil. "But they hit me first" is a pretty poor argument.

I'll start a new thread tomorrow. I wasn't able to edit the heading on this one anyway. It's probably why Zen always starts a new one when he reaches 100 comments over on his Zinnia hybridizing thread at annuals. I heard bradford pears were invasive. I also heard they don't produce fruit. How can they be invasive if they don't have fruit? Skip, can you see all the pictures? You use a phone too right? I can see everything after it's uncompressed. I don't like any attention from having a bunch of comments. I don't understand why they even tally them. The picture issue has already alienated at least one person who I enjoy chatting with. I hope it's not permanent!

I used to think tamarisks were beautiful until I heard about there invasiveness and salt collecting habits. They are still interesting. I'm more interested in bringing species back from the brink, than I am at placing blame on people. There's not enough time left for that now!

THE WORLD'S MOST INVASIVE SPECIES!

I made a new thread ×2. Please start commenting over there!

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This thread is finished. Join me at the new one! Us native plant lovers should all be on the same page!

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