Yeah, that looks weird.

You're instinct is correct. Avoid that.

At least move fridge further down & 1 small pantry. or no pantry cabinet.

Can you go further where shown in pink?

Can't really sit there, especially if opening fridge.

Why not “bump” the cab out. I would rather have no cab than what is proposed.

Ahhhh!!!!! So glad I posted this! I have no idea about how that other cabine would open. Very good point!!!!!!

Cannot scoot the fridge over because there’s a doorway there. It was recommended to do the pantry because it makes the fridge look built in. Would it look weird to have them be different sizes? Or maybe one pantry on the left side and regular uppers on the right?

Thanks for any inpu!

I totally felt like that dark corner would look weird, but the desinner said it would be worth it for the pantries.

De-sinner that's about right. lol

That corner is a sinful design dillema.

I agree with artistsharonva about the seating. Even if your 'island' is only 24" deep, that leaves less than 6' for two aisles. (You have to account for perimeter overhang, and the fridge door and handles.)

IMO, this layout would be better with a peninsula.

change the pantry,fridge, pantry set up. Make ONE pantry, left of fridge , then fridge, then counter that wraps corner . The problem is the pantry that is butting the corner.... the tiny 12 in cabinet is a collateral problem.

but seriously,that design with seating in front of fridge so close, & corner cave, really makes me question the designer's abilities.

glad you posted on Houzz before you bought that.

I am sure the other Houzzers will help get you a better, functional kitchen layout.

I agree with mamagoose!

a peninsula is much better in this space.

Sorry! Disregard the seating! The designer didn’t realize the exact measurements with this sketch.

Range wall 149

fridge wall 106

window wall 169.75

The island will be 72x24. No seating.

Sorry about the confusion!

Yes! I’m so thankful about the knowledge here! I didnt Like the look of the 12” upper in the corner, and it never even dawned on me that the other cabinet couldn’t be opened!!! What a HUGE mistake that would have been!!!!

I‘m now thinking that I’ll have to do a 21” pantry to the left of the fridge and then reg uppers on the other side. I was loving how the pantry on both makes it look built in, but it looks like it won’t work. (Unless the second pantry is super skinny or something!).

You also would not have been able to open the left door of the adjacent cabinet. It looks like you are doing a really nice hood and you have a large window. Those are your focal points...Make the ref area a nice pantry and ref and pull away from the cavern in the corner. That counterspace over there is a great place to hide the toaster and things like that..

Or you could do 2 - 15" pullout pantries on either side , then a lazy susan.. that would make it better.

If you really wanted to keep it as is then make that wall cabinet deeper ( 18 - 21") and put an appliance garage front below it so it is covered down to the counter. The recenter your hood on the new dimensions.

Hope this helps!

Good luck

Even without seating your aisles will be tight. If you use the minimum counter overhang on the sink run, that is 25". The box for a CD fridge is at least 24", and the door is another 3" (not counting the handles). We are down to 97" of open floor space. If you are using standard 24" deep base cabinets for the island, you'll need a back panel (1/2") and minimum 1" overhangs on each side. Now you're down to 70.5", divided by two aisles. Your aisles will be just over 35" each. For any aisle, other than a walkway with no appliances, that is very narrow.

Artistsharonva posted the NKBA's minimum recommended aisle width, which is 42". You might want to set up a table 35" from your current kitchen counter, and decide if you can be comfortable working in the space between.

NKBA guidelines

Because the spacing in middle is less than the NKBA guidelines. I suggest the peninsula.

I have had clients have islands too close to perimeter islands that were such a nuisance to them. Some had to stand to the side to get items out of oven, very uncomfortable. Hitting there backside constantly when bending over to get things out. Always felt it was in the way & annoyed by having to do laps around it. They re did they're kitchens and the 1st thing they wanted gone was the obstacle island. After remodel with walkway opened up, they were so thrilled the "obstacle" was finally not hindering their kitchen experience.

A peninsula would be more spacious and joyful to cook in.

If set on an island, then get 1 on wheels that lock.

I hope that helps explain why the concerns of the island. Walkway & proper spacious work area is very important in a kitchen.

Here's another example of a design with people in it. A good design always accommodates for people spacing & comfortable walk around areas.

an example of open appliances. remember the people spacing in front of appliances as well. when a person bends forward they need more space than standing.

Speaking of appliances, I don’t see a DW on your plans. I’d put it to the right of the sink and also make the cab to the right of it all drawers (excellent for dish storage)

I agree as well - the room is tight for an island. You would have to be at about 18" or less and that only gives you barley a 38" walkway ( it will depend on the ref depth ).

Here's the only type of island I would even attempt

And you can see how crowded they look if there are multiple cooks in the kitchen...

Try some other ideas first. You have a lot of countertop, so its not like you need the counter space.

Keep us posted

Ugh. The island is already there. It’s tight, but after years we are used to it. We have 35 inches on each side. Definitely a tight fit, but we’ve made due. I all my work on it, so I couldn’t imagine losing it!

Oh sorry - I thought you were doing a new kitchen

We are putting new cabinets in, but just keeping the current layout to save costs. :(

What do you all think about 45” uppers with 9 inches of trim that will take it to the ceiling? Will this look okay? Anyone else have 45” uppers? I’d love some input on this aspect. Thanks!!!!

Would 42” with 12” of crown to touch the ceiling look out of proportion? Can’t find much about this topic online or in the forumn.

9 foot ceilings: stack a 12 in cabinet atop 30 in. You want your main cabinet taller? 36 in height is plenty-taller than that becomes cumbersome. I might do,ascending from counter, upward : 20 in backsplash, 36 in cab, 12 in cab and 4 inch molding. You create different styles depending on 1. amount and style of molding..2. stacked cabinet "look" if you choose that all around your walls 3. painted highly detailed formal molding or simple oak molding 4. selection of specialty glass in stacked upper, with special latches [period look]. 5. use of inset to accentuate a traditional look in upper cabinets. Have you worked from inspiration pictures? there are just so many ways to deal with your height. Have you asked for help with your designer? do you have a budget for "extras" that compose the elements in using all the inches on your expanse of wall surface? Kitchens are "less" laden with wall cabinets than previously. Your decisions about your 9 foot height are up to you.....I think budget and an inspiration should guide you...where are you with your design team?

i Really wanted to avoid stacking cabinets (cost), which was why I was hoping to fill that gap with trim. Just didn’t know if that was too much trim in comparison to the 46 or 42.

I just found a new designer, and that is what she suggested.

With a 9ft ceiling, super tall doors are not a great idea - it would be a 48" door to swing open and closed. Stacking is not as costly as you think unless you do glass in all of them. A large stack of molding or crown-soffit-crown stack may be less in materials a bit, but will be more in labor or you could do something in between where you use drawerfronts as a soffit filler... you have to decide what look you like the best...

Good luck!

Glad you got a new designer ;)

Glad you got a new designer. My mom had that awkward corner next to her pantry cabinets after a remodel. It was awful. Such a difficult layout to work in.