I have both of them but one is in the front, from 2 gallon size, and the other in the back from quart size. I bought them about a week apart. They are both still very young and the flowers are of variable colors and sizes. But they are so much alike that it's hardly worthwhile to pick nits (HMF lists Mme. Lombard as up to 7x7 while Georgetown is smaller). Which begs the question: just how many pink teas does one really need? Another pair of possible twins: Souvenir d'un Ami and McClinton Tea. I have the latter but not the former. My current quest is extremely fragrant teas that will do well in my area. But I am having a hard time narrowing down my list. I have space for a few to get enormous but they will be in the back and probably not get that much TLC. I don't want any more duplicates or near duplicates. I leave that to the wealthy people from now on! I also have space in the front for some smaller ones. For those, I would add another selection criterion: must look good essentially all the time, not just flowers but also bush. I am reading the HMF data and some of it is lacking (a lot of listings omit size, for example). What to do when so many of them look alike?

Ulp, thanks -- I'm just going to have to move Madame Lambard then. I do have another spot which will work, and it's not too late. I'm so glad I checked. I thought it might be a big one, but that's not what I was reading. You really saved me a lot of problems a year or two from now. Anyone have any ideas about Clementina Carbonieri? If it doesn't rain tonight or early tomorrow, I'll be planting in the morning. Campanula, Austins often do get bigger here in California, so I went with the larger end of the size ranges I found. If they grow a little larger yet, I'll still be okay. It isn't all of them that do this. I'm actually pleased that Cweathersby reported a larger size for Molyneaux. Two feet sounds too small, at least where these roses will be sited. Sherry, my Anna Olivier comes from a cutting from Jackie's plant, which is both huge and ancient, something like a hundred years old. I'm pretty sure it cannot be the Bermuda one. Rosefolly

Good to see you still have some late blooms to enjoy, Sheila. And those deep indigo irises look so stunning taking a bow in the spotlight, as stars of the show for a while. I've been wondering for months whether you had any hips to show us this year, from your Spinosissima collection, or others, but I kept forgetting or being too tired to ask, and I expect it's a bit late now. One thing I miss very much from having lost so many members from our forum, is the chance to see more of the old garden Europeans and species/ close to species roses in our cooler climate members' gardens. Their displays of glowing fruit and colouring foliage in autumn, and sometimes interesting bare winter forms, coloured canes and prickles, epitomise for me the subtler charm of older roses vs the showier moderns, in still having something of feel of a wild flowering shrub and several very different seasons of interest.

What a beauty! I especially love that waterlily-like full blown bloom in the first pic. IIRC, she can be very variable in colour/appearance, or am I thinking of another of the Madames...? Thank you for sharing her with us Jeri. I swear your photographic skills continue to get better and better; I appreciate the careful/artistic composition... :-)