Planting in two 10x2 foot garden areas flanking stone steps
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Comments (26)IB, Eliminating steps as a design mantra! How interesting, and to my mind, boring...This would tend to presume designing for sites that are more or less level, something that obviously doesn't work in many areas of the country. Steps can often have religious or cultural significance, and are often used in places like Bali to deter evil spirits from free entry into a garden or dwelling, where most all garden entries will force one into climbing up a few steps, entering, and then descending into the enclosed garden, even when the site is virtually flat. Steps are also often used in a Japanese garden context to force a change of views, or focus attention by slowing one down to take in the experience at that point in the garden. I was looking through some books at our excellent local book store, Builder's Booksource here on 4th St in Berkeley yesterday evening, and stumbled across a book on Organic Architecture that featured work on Frank Lloyd Wright and son, with particular emphasis on their 1920's work in Los Angeles. Every single project had massive amounts of steps, and often featured interior rooms with changes of levels within them to designate changes of function and mood. I especially liked a bedroom that located the bed at a 4 foot change in level with the steps located right at the bed. Maybe not for everyone, and especially restless sleepers prone to accidentally rolling out of bed, but it had the charm of being in a tree house and looking down upon the world. I personally will always find a hillside garden with steps more interesting than a flat garden, and hillsides also provide many more opportunities for views, changes of perspective, and more opportunities for planting combinations, as well as opportunities to use plants that arch, drape and cascade in ways that a flat garden doesn't. Even in virtually flat sites such as Viscaya in southwest Florida, the use of steps up and down and framed views of water make an essentially flat site much more visually interesting. As well, walking up and down steps everyday also works wonders on a common American predicament, the flabby *ss! I wouldn't want to live in a world without steps, even when they don't appear to be necessary! I hope the OP does submit pictures of the intended application of these massively wide proposed stairs down to the pool, as perhaps the photos will make a case for why Laag's logic either does or does not apply. At the opposite extreme of these proposed super sized steps, the mayan temples in the jungles of Guatemala and southern Mexico are their opposite, so impossibly narrow and steep, that they give one vertigo in climbing up to the top, but evoke a powerful visual presence as well as exertion to make it up and down, clearly intended to stimulate feelings that can only be guessed at 100's of years later....See MoreWhy can't most men see plants before they step on them?
Comments (42)I love this thread!! When I lived in IL, my "black thumb" ex husband decided he wanted to be a farmer and raise "crops" in our city back yard. He proceeded to rip out a number of decades old lilac bushes to make room, burning out the transmission of our car, then decimated a perfectly good tiller that belonged to a neighbor. I wound up buying and planting "his" garden. When I had my fill, I told him to weed it. Yep he did!!!!! pulled up everything I planted and left all the weeds!!! Just for good measure he also pulled up all the azaleas I just planted for a border. To add insult to injury, I wound up replanting, weeding and caring for a garden I didn't even want. The ultimate insult was when the tomatoes, peppers, cucumbers and greens were finally ready, he picked them and gave them away letting people know that he grew them himself in his own garden! Next year the garden was turned to lawn, which I wound up mowing. Any wonder he's an EX????...See MoreSize of stepping stones
Comments (23)Actually, the Pbase path in the lower right hand corner is the closest to what I have been imagining -- only with rock edging instead of wood, and fewer stones in the middle. And soil on the surface instead of gravel. So I guess it's not very similar at all, when you think about it. Here is the question then. Let's assume I trash the idea of stone edging, but I still fill in the trench with 5 inches of gravel (and tamp it down) and two inches of sand (and tamp it down). Let's say my stepping stones are laid in a row, usually one at a time, but maybe two at a time for smaller ones. Let's say the stones are 18-24 inches wide and 12-18 inches long, and 3-4 inches thick. Let's say there is a distance of at least one foot on either side of each stone that has a base of gravel and sand. Let's assume I put an inch of soil down around the stones to bring everything to grade, tamp that down and plant moss on it. Is it OK to just let the path abut the garden beds on either side, with nothing in between? Not just aesthetics, which are in the eyes of the be-boulder, but engineering -- I read a lot in my how-to guides about path base materials spilling out onto the garden beds, especially dry laid stone paths. (Sorry, I just can't do the mortar, even subterranean mortar -- maybe this is a prejudice, but I don't want cement in my yard (except the house foundation -- it's ugly, but it seems to work pretty well)). The comments about huge 200 pound stepping stones are fascinating, but I'm not about to attempt anything like that. I've walked on many stepping stone paths and seen many more in books and on web sites, and I would guess that very few of the stones in those paths weigh as much as the people walking on them. I will have to settle (pun?) for less weighty stones and hope that they will find comfortable resting spots. (Those adorably cute little round do-it-yourself stepping stones with amusing little sayings look to be about 12 inches in diameter, if that, yet some people seem to be able to make stepping stone paths with them.) (I didn't say good stepping stone paths.) Finally, if I decide to take your advice and get rid of the edging, what the heck should I do with all these thousands of rocks? Dozens of piles of them all over my tiny 1/8 acre yard just isn't working for me. (I haven't been able to move several of the larger ones out of the 9X8 area I've dug into the slope to make a small patio. It looks like a dinosaur nest.) Thanks for taking the time to ponder these practical and ethereal questions with me, -- wd...See MoreFirst Square Foot garden box!
Comments (35)Woohoo, thanks you all! I'm glad if I can add any useful ideas -- the global level of gardening innateness... well, poking in here feels like I get to eavesdrop on a bunch of people who have been gardening for over 50 years each (somebody is going to point out that at least 2 people here *have* been gardening at least that long )! That's a lot of green thumb! Granny, here's hoping I pass SFG 101 -- temps apparently hit 32F somewhere in the area tonight, and I'm still bunked up with my computer at work, no chance to go home mid-afternoon at all and cover stuff. So... yeah, I didn't get that garden covered today. I guess I'll take a good look at my green pepper and see if I can harvest everything if it's tanked, but I'm really hoping that the **winter** garden takes a couple hours of hovering at 32F. The swiss chard will be happy... if all else fails, I have the swiss chard. ;) Plus my indoor babies --- OOH, I haven't taken any recent pictures of them! How careless. Well, it's about time to go home and get some sleep here, just want to run one more analysis (this is how it goes: 'just one more analysis... just one more... '). My old/non-square foot garden blog is linked... I don't update a lot anymore, but when I do post garden stuff in my catch-all blog, I usually try to drop a copy in the linked blog. Here is a link that might be useful: Pepys garden blog (docarwen's)...See MoreRevolutionary Gardens
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