I have had her three years, I can tell you she has no disease resistance in my garden. For three years I have debated taking her out - she's still here because it's too much work to take her out. Her blooms are lovely.

Thanks Mossy, good to know. I don't want to replace black spot mess for another

It probably depends on where you live - in zone 10 (I think, Sydney) it hasn’t had black spot even though it’s humid here. When other roses get black spot, like just Joey, it’s usually just a couple of leaves that I pick off

I have a bit of problem with coral blooms on occasion probably in heat. I overall like it Kristine, but Huntington Rose for example would have been a better mid pink choice. It is pretty healthy here.

Thanks Sheila, I will check it out. Isn't the smoke just horrible

Kristine, I also had PAOK. Blackspot here in humid Massachusetts too.

sharon

Sheila, The Huntington rose is beautiful.

Thank you Sharon that does not sound like the roza for me. I am looking for the rose that everyone says it's got huge blooms and it's so healthy I wonder if that rose really exists?

I'm very happy with her in dry heat. Rebloom is slow in summer for me, but as soon as we get over the heat, she does very well. No disease, shapely bush (3.5' x 3.5'), large beautiful blooms with a nice, mild fragrance. Pictures from about a month ago.

I agree, when she is good she is very good.

She really is a pretty rose. I'm just not sure that I want to do 3 or 4 of them in a row as a main bed.

I do like PAoK - large blooms, good fragrance. It has been disappointing that she only has average disease resistance and the occasional coral blooms look a bit out of place. Princess Anne, IMO, is a better alternative. I’m also hoping James Austin becomes available in the US next year as another option in this color range.

Princess Anne is better ? That is a stunning rose

Hum

Dave, I just looked up up Princess Anne and that may be what I am looking for

The color is so pretty

Kristine, you do not want three or four PAoK in a row. Mine was about 6X7 feet. She bloomed a lot in spring, was a thug, throwing out huge, healthy canes (no fungal diseases here, anyway). Then when the hot weather hit, she turned coral and her blooms shrank in size, with just a few opening in the heat--which was fine with me. I grew her for four years, and removed her at the end of last summer. It took me three days, what with her anchor roots, and several levels of roots. It didn't help that the soil turned to cement as I dug farther down. PAoK grew on an moderate slope which increased her anchor roots, I'm sure. Kristine, didn't you see the photo I posted last summer on the seasonal thread of the remains of her big stump? I highly recommend Boscobel for your planting, and I'm sure Princess Anne is wonderful. I think Boscobel is seriously underrated. I hope you're pleased with your choice. Diane

Stump of the late and unlamented PAoK--image is seriously foreshortend and doesn't begin to convey the length and size of the sawed off stump.

LOL! I think of you every time I see or read about PAOK, Diane! I just planted Boscobel a few months ago, and I’m loving it! Lisa

Lisa, your Bosco is gorgeous and huge. I've been whining about our horrible hot, dry temps, and Bosco is blooming away, unlike certain other lazy roses. He's a very nice rose. Diane

Here is one picture I have of Princess Anne. She is prettier in person than what I feel I can capture or compared to what is on DA website. She has glossy leaves and is very healthy.

Diane, Lol, I do remember that stump. I had forgotten that it was PAOK. What a job removing her, I do remember that now. She sounds nightmarish.

On the other hand look at the other pretty pretty Princess Anne. I love that color Dave. Do you think a riw of three would work ?

I think that would look great, Kristine! You’ll have to post pics when this is done.

Diane, that must have been quite the job removing PAoK from your garden!

It was a blast Dave, especially at my age. A few weeks later, I had to remove Frederic Mistral due to damage he suffered in the previous winter. I'd grown him for ten years, and he had been a big one, too. The job took me 20 minutes. I sure miss Fred. Diane

I am with Dave that Princess Anne is a better rose overall as between these two. Boscoble looks a lot like the Princess, and B has better blackspot resistance here in my humid 6b/7a garden.

Thanks Farmer. Boscobel is on my short list.

After hearing Diane's nightmarish tale of digging her out and seeing the resulting root, I decided I will love my Princess and let her be. Admittedly, she was awful the first two years, like a beached octopus, crawling along the ground. Then she straightened up, literally, and became a nice shrubby bush. And I'm almost convinced I like her.

Kristine said it best - "When she is good, she is very good."

Diane, you should have had that thing bronzed and keep it as a trophy.

flowersaremusic - I laughed out loud at "like a beached octopus" - definitely paints an image!

Does Boscobel turn into s giant ?

Kristine, so far Boscobel is a good healthy size but not a giant. He is also nice and upright with no beached octopus look, and definitely not a thug.

Flowers, I'm happy your PAoK has become a well behaved rose. This is a rose of many faces, I guess, and I find it hard to believe it's the same rose that everyone else is growing. Do I have your permission to use "beached octopus" in future comments? What a perfect description of those canes. Diane

Diane, I'm so glad to see you still have your sense of humor in the face of extraordinary obstacles this season. Things are pretty awful here, too. I haven't even deadheaded all the roses from their first flush, indeed, they didn't even get pruned to begin with. Such high hopes throughout winter, then plans fell flat. The good side of it is that it can only get better. Next year will be our year!

Instead of long canes shooting straight up as most young Austins do, PAoK's long canes reached out along the ground, curving and squiggling all over the place among the other roses as if they were searching for something.

You may make 'beached octopus' yours as I have made 'bloomiest' an oft used word of mine. I am honored.

Diane, I’m sorry you lost FM. He’s a good looking rose.

Diane‘s pictures of Boscobel convinced me to get him last spring. If you’re looking for a short coral pink rose, Kristine, I agree that Boscobel is great. This is only his second season but he is definitely a keeper. He died to the ground this past awful winter but has bounced back nicely

Definitely a different color than the medium pink PAoK generally displays (well, usually). Here is a pic of PAoK this spring to compare the color.

This was bothering me, so I entered 'bloomiest' in the search bar, and what do you know! Found her. It was lyannastarknola who coined the word in [this[(https://www.houzz.com/discussions/who-are-your-surprise-mvps-dsvw-vd~5191674?n=34) post. Thank you, lyanna! I have used your word so many times, I must owe you royalties. Do you have any other useful words I might help myself to?

Geeze Dave, you sure have some beautiful roses

It is a toss up between Boscobel and Princess Anne. I read that Boscobel can be 6 ft tall. That is my only concern. Both are so beautiful. Even if I would choose one over the other for the series of 3 I will probably get a single of the other 1 just because I like them both so much thank you for all of your beautiful pictures that has made my decision even harder.

Kristine, my Boscobel is about 4-5 feet tall, and his blooms are pinker than the blooms on Dave's plant. But the color can vary a lot from quite pink to peachy-corally. PAoK did this, too, but then with heat, the blooms became an outlandish coral. Diane

Boscobel, looking pinkish and cup shaped.

I think Boscobel is the one

The color is unique and it gets such good reviews

Thanks for the pictures and feedback

Whats the size of boscobel and PAoK bushes? Wondering if i can squeeze either of them in a tight spot I have?

PAoK you could not squeeze into a tight spot, and Boscobel would be difficult, too. Most Austin roses aren't meant to be squeezed. They are big shrubs. This would be especially true in Southern California. I'm zone 7. Diane

Boscobel--not a small rose, but a bloomer, for sure.

I love my PAoK, one of the best DAs in my garden. Huge blooms, repeat well, nice fragrance. Good in vases Average disease resistance.