Pink hues of Felicia & Cornelia
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Cornelia? Renae? (in search of a climber)
Comments (3)I grow Felicia as a climber here in the SF Bay Area. It's also a Hyb Musk and similar to Cornelia. I love it! Easy care, fast rebloom, strong and healthy. In fact, when our house was remodeled, the contractor cut Felicia down to the ground (grrr!). I thought it was a goner, but it came back and within two years was 6 ft tall. I don't spray and rarely prune, just deadheading and tying the canes to the trellis. I thought about getting Cornelia as well, but I think it's a little too similar to Felicia and I have a small garden so I need to "maximize" my rose purchases. Although if someone were to give me one, I wouldn't turn it away!...See MoreCornelia's fragrance
Comments (12)I have to confess that my information about the fragrance of the musk roses comes from The Fragrant Year, by Helen van Pelt Wilson and Léonie Bell, a book that over 30 years ago helped make me a fanatic. (The cheap reprint from 1976 is still available). I imagine that some of the Pemberton musks are more like moschata than others. Bell and Wilson characterized its scent as resembling an iron pot being heated up on a stove !! whatever that means. Unfortunately I can't locate my falling-apart copy or I could check. The hybrid musks are descended from Trier, which is more like the species. They also said that some musks hardier than others and some (like Pax) weren't hardy for them -- they gardened in Philadelphia and Connecticut. I remember they especially liked Buff Beauty, Cornelia, Penelope and Vanity for scent and hardiness (in those days winters were colder than now) and, I guess, availability. Though they also liked Felicia. Also, Cornelia had one of the highest ratings from the American Rose Society -- I imagine for its vigor. That is why I got mine. (Of course all these roses will be more floriferous in full sun than in shade). I should mention that in those days Kathleen was particularly prized by plant connoisseurs who said things like "if I had a small garden and could have but one rose..." It seems not to be so much in favor now, but I have one. Now, of course, we have so many more choices....See MoreBest Climber--Penelope, Pax, Felicia, Moonlight?
Comments (31)I grew 'Ghislaine de Feligonde' as a short climber up a pine tree when living in north Alabama in 3 or 4 hours of morning sun. I had to prune it a lot to try to get it to climb up the pine. I think its natural form is more that of a mounding shrub than a climber, but it is easy to prune because of its multiflora canes. It had a beautiful spring flush and then bloomed a tiny bit through the summer and then a little more in the fall. It stayed pretty clean, foliage-wise, during the summers in Alabama. I grow it here in the PNW as a mounding shrub on the north side of a wall, so it is definitely shade tolerant. It blooms more all through the summer here than it did in Alabama. I am inclined to think the reason it does is because it's cooler here during the summers than it was in Alabama, but it could also be a difference in soil, sun, or clones, I am not really sure. In both places I have grown this rose it has had acid soil. It's a multiflora rambler. How do polys do for you, Kate? Just another thought - if you want a cream/white colored climber that always seems to be in bloom, Kate, take a look at 'White Cap'. It's healthy and blooms a lot although no fragrance to me. Also not the small blooms of the hybrid musks. Another thought is- a new one for me is 'Creme de la Creme'; it has only bloomed a little so far for me, but I think it will bloom more as it gets older. The cream blooms are really pretty and they smell like ripe pears to me. That was a new scent for me this summer; I am anxious to see how this one will do next year. Sorry if I muddied the waters for you! Sombreiul is really thorny - neither of the two above are too life threatening! Hope that helps. Gean Two shots of 'White Cap'...See MoreHM: Thisbe, Francesca, Callisto, Daybreak, Cornelia...
Comments (8)I love the Pemberton Hybrid Musks and grow many of them. My growing conditions are somewhat different from yours, but this is my experience: 'Cornelia' is one of the most beautiful roses ever bred, in my opinion. She is a rather large, lax-growing shrub with red canes, few thorns, excellent dark foliage, with a sweet musky perfume that floats in the air. She flowers in two main periods, spring and fall, with large clusters of double pale strawberry-pink flowers, darker in the bud, brighter in cooler weather: 'Cornelia' is extraordinarily lovely in the fall. I think she's best with some support, or grown as a small, repeat-flowering rambler. We have very heavy alkaline clay soil on our property, with hot dry summers and chilly winters. In these conditions, the Hybrid Musks like the cooler and moister parts of our property and the areas with looser soil. I've also read that they don't like to be in windy, exposed spots, but that's true for all roses, I suspect. The Hybrid Musks don't mind winter cold, I think they probably grow bigger in warm-summer areas, without necessarily needing them to thrive. 'Thisbe' is a pretty and fragrant rose with small, double, pale yellow flowers, healthy in my garden. (Susceptible roses get mildew here, but blackspot rarely.) For me it grows somewhat smaller and stiffer than 'Cornelia', but still with a fairly lax habit. It's a good rose. I just bought 'Daybreak' myself, so am waiting to see how it will be. I've never grown or seen 'Callisto' 'Francesca' is another favorite of mine. It grows to be a large shrub in my garden and would make a good small--or not so small--repeat-flowering climber. Its canes are stiffer than those of 'Cornelia' but I think still trainable. It has lovely healthy foliage and large (for a Hybrid Musk) semi-double wide soft buffy-yellow fragrant flowers, which I've heard don't last long, but they are so beautiful! Of all the Hybrid Musks 'Francesca' in my eyes has the most look of a Tea, though I looked up its genealogy once and there's no Tea rose among its immediate ancestors. Now, you asked about pink and white Hybrid Musks. 'Moonlight' has clusters of small semi-double while flowers, dark shining foliage and a lax habit--it's another of the potential pocket ramblers, like 'Cornelia'--and, also like 'Cornelia', has a sweet fragrance that floats on the air. I think I've seen it get a touch of mildew, though it was growing in a good deal of shade. I bought 'Pax' two or three years ago and nearly lost it the first year to drought. This fall it's just starting to grow, and I think it's going to be a winner, with typical lax growth and lush, shining foliage, starred with relatively large, semidouble white blooms. My sister has seen it trained as a very beautiful rambler/climber. The pinks are a little more difficult, if you don't count 'Cornelia', which is salmon-pink, not yellow. 'Felicia' is more upright and shrubby than most HMs; according to report more disease prone than other varieties, and in my experience generally more fussy than others; it does have one of the loveliest perfumes in rosedom. 'Ballerina' is scentless, but bright, cheerful, and a good tough rose; it's less elegant than many of the Hybrid Musks, but a happy rose to have in the garden. My favorite pink is 'Vanity'. This is a rose with its own character, a tall, wide, open, leggy rose with single flowers of bright shocking pink, with a sweet, China-like scent that doesn't seem strong but can be detected from several feet away. I know this because there have been times when 'Vanity' was the only rose in flower in the whole garden. The color goes splendidly with all the pale tints of the other Hybrid Musks and with Teas, and it's a tough rose. I deal with the openness by letting other plants grow through and around it. Another darker Hybrid Musk is 'Nur Mahal', shrubby but not rigid, deep cherry-pink/red, and fragrant. A lot of people love this rose, but I think there's something wrong with my plant, and got cuttings of it this fall from another gardener. So I can't judge from my own experience. The Hybrid Musks as a group are very beautiful plants, in and out of flower; they're healthy without spraying; almost all of them are fragrant, scented of Tea or musk or China; they're easy, tolerant plants to grow. They should be pruned at least once a year, better twice, in winter and if possible after the spring flowering, though I never get around to that. Many of them set hips, which are very pretty in late fall and winter. Oh! I forgot the lovely 'Penelope': white single or semi-double fragrant blooms in clusters, shrubby but not rigid, good hips, the customary good foliage. All these roses root easily from cuttings, and grow extremely well on their own roots. I hope this is helpful. Melissa...See More
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5 years agoAs luck would have it I just got my first blooms of Cornelia. While still in a pot I'm very impressed with its vigor. Given its age these blooms may not be representative of a more mature plant, but I'm loving them. I also have Felicia but no pics at the moment as I had to transplant her from an overly optimistic spot! She's budding out now but it may be a while.
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5 years agolast modified: 5 years agoMy Felicia is more pink than my Cornelia. This is Felicia.
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5 years agoLisa Adams
5 years agoI’m finding that my Cornelia starts off much darker than Felicia, but Cornelia fades much faster to almost white. Both of mine are in quite a bite of shade. I think I have fresh buds and or blooms on both. I’ll take a look and some pictures.
I totally agree with Sheila about their growth patterns. I’m training my Cornelia on an umbrella trellis. It’s been slow going, since my “helper” cut almost all of Cornelia’s long canes WAY back. They are growing again, and I should be able to tie more to the trellis soon. Cornelia might have to wait until the weather cools, or I have a burst of energy. (Yes, Please!)
Please ignore everything else. It is what it is right now:)
My Felicia is rather sprawling because she’s in a lot of shade. I haven’t cut her back much, because I want to train the canes over my arches. Truth be told, I love her more than Cornelia. She smells better, blooms more, and has a special pink that doesn’t often show in photos. Her pink is soft with what almost looks like a fine dusting of baby powder over the pink. (That reminds me of powdery mildew, but that’s not what I mean at all:). She’s so delicate looking, yet she’s a strong grower here, in shade. I do give her some acid to keep her happy. Felicia is one of my top 5 favorite roses that I grow. Lisa
Oh dear! I’m not sure about posting this full bush picture of Felicia. I’m not doing the beautiful Felicia any favors with this photo! I haven’t been out front much, and there’s lots of work to be done. I hope you can still see Felicia’s form amongst the tangle of hardy geraniums and clematis.
Well, I’ve never claimed to have a perfect garden. In the summertime I just keep things watered and alive, mostly. I will try to find a better bush photo of Felicia so you can see her form better,(and so I can feel better, too :). Lisa
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5 years agoWell, I’ve just spent a LOT of time looking through older posts to try and redeem myself for that awful picture of Felicia. Can we no longer choose to search by “most recent” ? I probably could have made that whole bed look decent, in the time I spent looking for other pictures of my Felicia. I guess that’s the problem with uploading photos directly to a post.
Anywho, here’s a photo of her growth before I added all the companion plants.
Felicia · More InfoA few weeks ago, just before the heat wave.
Felicia · More InfoAnd a couple more, just to make myself feel better.)
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5 years agoI grow both, but they are in a somewhat shady spot part of the day and are growing in the outer perimeter of the yard, which means they don't always get watered as much as they ought to.
Anyway, here are the only pics I ever took.
Felicia--just opening--has quite a bit of color
Felicia--open and pastel. Love her stamens!
Felicia--gets this really "fragile" look, with kind of a silvery sheen--light reflecting, I guess. I think she is delightfully frowsey and charming.
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Cornelia--for some unknown reason, the only pic I've taken of it. Doesn't bloom and re-bloom as fast as Felicia. A neater pink bloom, gorgeous stamens. I like the contrasting darker buds also.
Hope that helps.
Kate
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