Help! Need to make choices. Heat pump water heater?
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Comments (14)Snidely: âÂÂWouldn't you need to know how much OP pays for electricity before recommending any kind of heat pump? Doesn't that make a big difference?â Not really. These are just suggestions of what may be possible. The OP can crunch his own numbers and draw his own conclusions. Besides, since active cooling MUST involve electricity and given that he lives in NY where winters are cold, the additional cost of a HP over an A/C only condenser may make sense. A hybrid system such as the Carrier Infinity Greenspeed with a propane gas furnace and a heat pump would essentially provide a near complete range of flexibility based on dual sources of energy as well as high efficiency. A HP (even air-source) with a COP of 3 means that you can essentially divide the electrical rate by 3 to determine the âÂÂcost per kW of heat delivered into the homeâÂÂ. So even if itâÂÂs 24-cents per kW, the cost per kW of heat delivered into the home would be about 8-cents. The OP would have a measure of shielding from energy costs as they could choose to heat with an electric heat pump of extremely high efficiency, 13-HSPF, or propane, which ever is cheaper. Should natural gas become available a relatively inexpensive conversion from propane to NG could easily be done. Any defrost cycles would be performed with staged propane as opposed to high priced electricity and resistance heating elements. So no, I donâÂÂt see any problems only benefits. As for Nordic, any other well-known brand could be used. One of the reasons for using Nordic links is that their site is well documented with a wealth of information that could be used with any brand HP that performs the same functions. See link below just as an example of the plumbing layouts and options alone. The OP would be best off going with whatever equipment is commonly installed in his area and can be easily serviced by one of several companies operating there. Gurvy: Should you go the propane forced air route, I would advise installing the highest efficiency furnace due to the higher price of propane over NG (which is not available) and due the lower efficiency of propane over NG. You may as well squeeze out all the energy you can! Regarding your humidity concerns, you may find that with a heat pump you may not need a humidifier as the lower temperature output of a heat pump does not dry out the air as does the higher temperature output of a fossil fuel or all-electric furnace. However, you may feel more comfortable at a lower temperature with a higher humidity level during heating season. As for the attic, I would avoid installing HVAC equipment there altogether, if at all possible. SR Here is a link that might be useful: Nordic - Plumbing options and schematics for geo...See MoreElectric Radiant Heat Vs. Heat Pump Water Heaters
Comments (3)The most efficient way to heat your radiant in-floor and domestic hot water is with a water-to-water geothermal heat pump. If you would also like air-conditioning too, use a triple function geothermal heat pump; full capacity hot water for radiant in floor and domestic hot water as well as forced air for both heating & cooling. Divide your electrical rate by the COP of the GSHP to determine the cost per kW. ItÂs usually a factor of 3.5~5. Geothermal has the highest initial cost but the money goes directly into the value of your home. Geo also has the lowest operating & lifecycle cost and highest user satisfaction rate. Did I mention GREEN? After opening the link below, click 'Products' then click 'TR-Series', then download the R410a Models pdf. SR Here is a link that might be useful: Nordic Triple Function Series GSHP...See MoreHybrid heat pump water heater, or other recommendations for WH?
Comments (2)Any centralized heating system without a circ pump will have the same issues. It doesn't matter if it's tank, tankless, etc. you will have to get the cold water out of the lines before you get the hot water. Insulating the pipes will help. Installing the water heater in a central location will help. Making sure that the hot water lines aren't oversized will help. If you have one faucet that is much farther than the others (such as a kitchen sink or a master bath sink) you can consider an electric point of use heater that sits right under the sink and is supplied by the main water heater. That should give you instant hot water until water from the main heater reaches the faucet. There is also a tankless (Navien) that has an integrated circ pump and small tank. They offer a condensing unit that is in the 93%+ efficiency range and vents with plastic pipe. Here is a link that might be useful: Navien tankless...See MoreNeed help urgent - Water leak by the hot water heater
Comments (12)Thanks. I am assuming given that I am not going to be using the air conditioner for 6 more months, I can drain it out and should be good? Wrong, during heating condensate is also produced. It needs to be fixed before both the cooling and heating season. I also suspect the condensate pump considering it is full, it will normally empty out once the float activates the pump but clearly there is something wrong with yours. The pump may have just quit working and need replaced. They are not that expensive....See MoreJake The Wonderdog
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