I have decided that I will make the 10x12 work for me; I will reinforce the heck out of it. I am going to be growing trees, I will need the height. ACK, I went by my Local HF Store today, "Just to Check", I should have my Money by Tuesday... They have the 6x8 in stock $399!, but have never had the 10x12 in stock, Granted when I gave the part number to a stock clerk, and told him that it is listed on Harborfreightusa.com, he said that it is a new item and should be stocking it soon... SOON, how soon, my 20% off coupon, expires on the 18th (Does that mean I can use it on the 18th, or that the last day I can use it, is the 17th) Sigh. I am only about 130 Miles from there Camarillo Warehouse, I wonder if I can do a will-call, and use my 20% off retail store coupon... Leme see, 260 miles round trip call it 9 gallons of gas, at 2.60 a gallon, call it $24 bucks for gas, and 3.5 hours of Driving, one hour for The hassle at will call. Oh, I can not forget the Stop at Canters Deli for lunch for me and my helper, so add another hour, and another $40. Oh wait, I cannot use my car (3 door Saturn, I do not think the big metal framed box will fit in it, so I have to take my wifes truck, Yeah my wife has the truck, what can I say, she is a Red Neck Woman, I think Gretchen wrote that song for her, but my wife is better looking.) Ok where was I, oh yeah Driving the Truck, well I can still average 75 MPH, but the mileage is gonna suck, so that would be $40 bucks in gas SO $40 for Gas, $40 for Lunch, and 4 and a half, ok call it 5 hours of my time... Hmm, well there are about 9 HF Stores, (other than my local store), that are 30-75 miles away, I guess I am gonna have to break down and do that old fashioned thing and let my fingers do the walking. I hope they have it for the same price as the Mail order site. Yeah, I found out on this site somewhere that the www.harborfreight.com site is for mail order/web order prices only, and the www.harborfreightusa.com sight is for retail stores, but it only shows stock items (Not what is in stock, but what they can stock), and they do not show the prices. So does anyone live out here in Southern California, and want a free meal at Canters, and Corned beef and cabbage (my wife makes a Wicked corned beef, she slow cooks it all day), oh yeah and lots of Guinness. (Most of the Guinness will be after it is built. I will be taking lots of Pictures, and using the extra reinforcing mentioned elsewhere on this site. I will also be sinking the Frame (But on wooden supports. I will be sealing the open edges of the Panels with 100 Mile an hour tape (Also know as aluminum tape I think), and then running thin weather-stripping along the inside edges of the panels. I will buy a couple packages of Extra Spring Clips from Charlies, and probably screw in the panels on the roof, since they will not be easy to remove for the summer months. I will probably add extra Triangle corner reinforcing, Guy wires with those funny twisty things and some nice big anchors into the ground. I have a 220 GFI for my Hot Tub near where I will be building it, but I probably should not tap into that for the greenhouse. I do have a couple of Blank spots in my fuse box (Why do they still call them fuse boxes... oh yeah I think they are called breaker boxes now), it was easy for the Guys to run the Power to the Hot Tub (About 15 minutes), but then thats what these guys do for a Living. I probably will not need power to the greenhouse, till Fall anyhow, I will be removing panels and using shade cloth for cooling in the summer. One corner of the greenhouse will be just past one of my Spare Sprinkler heads, so I can tap into that for water, and if I install timers inside the greenhouse, I can have different watering schedules for the watering and the Misting... I assume that is what I should do. One other thing I will be doing is running an extension from the clothes dryer vent to the greenhouse to have the clothes dryer exhaust into the greenhouse... Free Heat and moisture. (Most of our clothes washing happens late at night anyhow. I figure I will till up the ground where the greenhouse is going (Should make leveling it easier), and then I will be flooring it will all the shingles that blew off my roof over new years weekend. Ok, what I am I missing, ahh yes, orientation, if I remember correctly this greenhouse is 10 feet wide, and 12 feet deep. The greenhouse will be about 8 feet south of my garage (I already can see that gap is gonna become a place where you toss all the crap for the back yard, but it would make a good place to park my Garden Tractor). The winds here come out of the South, Southwest, I was thinking of Orienting the Greenhouse so that the door is facing west, I figure that would be better than south, and having the door on the east or north side would be awkward. Does this orientation sound ok? Or should I really put the door on the North side? Now a question for those who have built a 10x12,It is hard to tell from the Instructions, but it looks that the secondary brace for the vents is a separate piece of metal, so would it be possible for me to put all for vents on one side (In this case the North Side), of the roof? I do not think that having those vents facing south and opening up into a 40 MPH wind would be too healthy for the vents or the greenhouse (I am imagining a balloon being rapidly inflated), plus the wind blowing across the vents on the North Side would provide a Nice Low Pressure area, increasing the effectiveness of vents on that side. Am I missing anything (other than the greenhouse kit?) any suggestions, corrections, or Ideas. Sorry about writing books, hopefully most of you find it entertaining, rather than annoying

Hello Everyone, K, Sounds like you have a great collection with your new additions... SO..? I need to ask? Ammmhmmm... How many did you trip when you burst thru the doors? Really? LMAO!!! I want to go shopping with you to this sale next year. I know you are one guy that "gets it" LOL...So. Congratulations fom all of us ladies that would love to have a DH just like you!!! LOL... I know you mean well, but would you really do that? : ) Don't worry, i know the truth!!! I watched the security at the show...LOLOLOLO!!! Nice moves... " ) Joan, I like your list too! Jen, How is the new TLD? Is it what you wanted? Did K help you? or did he pick up yours!! You have a great sense of humor K...We all love to mess with you!!! It is nice to have one of the guys right in the middle of all of those women. You are brave!!! I cant wait to see all of the pics... I was out in Indiana at a family reunion, learning about plowing, cows and how to drive a huge Case Tractor. I will say the i can drive those huge babies and i had a ball.. SO Dave P... I can do this even with nails... LOL... The farmers were quite impressed!!! LOL. I even drove a John Deere with all of the equipment spraying Nitrogen on the corn... I haven;t heard the last from the family yet on that one. LOL... They offered me a job!! : ) Sorry i missed the sale and all of the action... Take care, Laura

Plumie- I would just like to voice my opinion on your watering issue. Mike (mikeod) knows his sh#t when it comes to plumies and those other guys are full of sh#t. The single most common cause of failure in rooting cuttings is from watering. The most common cause of stem rot in summer is watering. period. Also, having an unrooted cutting exposed to the mid-day sun when it is 100+ degrees is asking for sunburn stems and other problems. Plumeria stems are full of water and it is not being used unless there are leaves to use it. Simple misting replaces any moisture loss through the stem. What you can do is go around the inside edge of the pot and push your fingers into the soil mix to make a small moat up against the pot wall. Carefully, using a sports water bottle, fill the moat so water runs down the outside soil but the middle stays dry. this basically increases the humidity in the center of the pot but is not wet except down the inside wall of the pot. When in doubt, do nothing. Watering does not mean the plant will fail every time but not watering has a far smaller failure rate. Realize that many nursury people know alot about plants but almost nothing about plumies. Also, P.101 has some excellent information and some I totally disagree with (ie. using pea gravel to hold a cutting- I call it how to burn your stem and sunburn your plant.) This forum has some very experience individuals who have tried and failed enough to form good opinions. Mike, Tony, Karyn, Dave, Joe, Phillip, and Janet to name just a few whose posts I always respect their opinions and usually totally agree with their comments. Their experiences are in the same environments that we grow in. Their successes and failures are the same that we will experience. I will listen to them over a boatload of nursery workers because in my experiences i recognize the quality of their experiences. Just my opinion- Bill

i would love some of these if i could!! that would be so cool!! armenian cucumber tortarelo cucumber golden gopher musk melon? royal golden melon lee okra zolotistala melon casaba melon 1 bosc pear 2 mustard gai choy 1 garden peach tomoto 4 okra mix 1 daikon radish 1 canary bell peppers 2 lemon balm 1 sweet chocolate peppers 1 bok choy 2 green zebra tomato 3 peppers yolo wonder 1 peter peppers this year, i think will be a great year for that square foot gardening!! especially with all that is needing to be put in the ground!!! **big smile** i have lots of 6 blazing star liatres 21 single white angel trumpet-smells awesome 14 lavender datura- don't smell but is pretty!! 4 sesamie seeds so if anyone want's these, let me know. :') these are filled pretty good!@! ~Medo