Piddy, first being rescues who knows what occured or stress events prior. Some info. Salt ok for goldfish (well I raised them outdoors and inside as kid and used a pinch per Dr Innes) (I realize there are differing opinions on this so not judging one way or another) Unless you used huge amounts this mho had nothing to do with their deaths. (although I think I read somewhere it can exacerbate ammonia poisoning? BUT not sure if memory serves)(or was that help in nitrate nitrite poisoning) the old rule one inch per gallon (I read this and makes mucho sense) is ok for small flatish fish, but larger fish body mass needs to be considered. Ie a huge paccu for example might be 10 inches long well - the rule would provide a way inadequate tank size for such a fish. So need to go by mass. My first thought was too small a tank for four fish.. Just too much waste with goldfish so more tank for fewer fish. I said one in five gallon. That said they were relatively small, you had a filter, so that doesn't make sense to me, unless the water wasn't cycled, and fish waste (they are major waste producers) Had the tank been cycled? Ammonia spike that may have been missed? did you check ammonia? If you are changing water, is this such and amount (was filter new, ie no stuff, gravel or filter material with bacteria in it) that you cause recycling again. I have done much recent research on gourami disease and found also information on viral crossing with goldfish to gourami and other fishes now.. Almost epidemic overseas, an hidden... so could be something not to do with you at all. but, again, ammonia and too many fish in too small a space. Not re size but waste, esp if not cycled. How many water changes if not cycled - would need one a day. That said, I know when young some who had fish in bowls and they hung on for weeks and months sometimes longer as person changed water (ps was not me!) so maybe they were not well to begin with.. You as you say, have experience... sometimes in old innes book, he would say use water from pond or established tank, feed live worms, so on, salt water cure... to bring them about. Any other symptoms, spots, diseases that you notice. or just run down and die? Best Sherry How was their breathing. Gill coloration? Any obvious symptoms. Sometimes when I buy new fish, and am quaranteening one just quitely dies, just lays down and floats off. (I seperate and give low light planted tank for their ease) I figure they often have survived a nasty trip, horrible conditions at pet store (low ph, hose to fill tanks, guys often don't check temp, cooked some fish once, so on) so they just can't take it. poor things so maybe not knowing what they had been through prior, and even with your care in transportation, and new home they were just tired from stress and went over edge. (I make really long all day sometimes more water changes, dribble method (my petstore has extremely low ph 5, so go slow one degree in 24 hours is max per day. ) was the transfer to much a shock from where they were prior?

As much as we enjoyed the Robert Parker books, I refused to buy them after I realized that we were reading them in about 2 hours. They were great big books printed on the thickest paper with the largest margins and very few words per page. We used to joke about how fast we would read them. "Honey, could you flip the steak now?" "Sure, just let me read this Spenser book first." lol My irreverent husband wondered if his obituary would be written like that, too. All that aside, I'm sorry Robert Parker died, he wasn't very old and I'm sure his family will miss him terribly. We did enjoy his books and the TV show with Robert Urich, he was the perfect Spenser. I recommend reading his books in the order that they were written in, when possible. They do have a progression of characters and story lines that might be helpful. (And I have to agree about the Susan Silverman eating habits and Jesse Stone's tortured love life.... I got kind of tired of both of those.)

Replace the Coils? Or the Condensers (outdoor units)? If it is the Coils then how did he know it has a leak without doing a leak check? If it is the Condenser he wants to replace he will have a very hard time finding a R22 Condenser. Only 410A available now and the Outdoor and indoor units will not be compatible with each other if only one is replaced. I am not familiar with PA but sounds like you got bad advice or you are unclear. either way, that kind of money I would get a second opinion

Thanks for all the comments. As to some of your questions, the biomom isn't a mother by any sense of the word. She is a user and even borrows money from SD (she works weekends as a waitress) and never pays her back. But my SD defends her, so I just stay out of it. As for SD grades, yeah, her grades have dropped. We are not exacting parents, but we do prefer to see A's and B's. My boys both had all A's and B's, with one exception: 17 son had a C in his dual enrolled math course. SD had 3 C's...she was simply told to bring them up, but there was no consequences. Besides working Thur. Fri. Sat nights, she plays Varsity BB and has practice 4 times a week. She then plays SB in the spring. I have spoken to DH and he has agreed to try and be a bit more fair...I told him it was that or we just weren't going to last. Today was day one...and we'll see what happens from here. As to what he thinks they're doing when they are together...well, this is true...I kid you not. The boy is a "christian" and has "christian" parents and HD seems to think that makes him trustworthy. Hah! SD room is detached from the main house...about 60 ft. away. She and bb like to hang out in there alone. HD allows this. One night I was outside by our fire pit and they came out of the room and turned out the outside light. It got very quiet and they stayed there for several minutes, so I called out "Hey, no lingering in the dark!" SD stormed into the house and told her dad what I said. She told him they were PRAYING!!! And he believed her! I just couldn't believe he fell for that. Anyway, I appreciate all your comments and you are all right...he has to do the changing, for both his sake and SD. Thanks!