16 SEER American Standard Pkg unit (4YCZ6036) 2009 - humidity control?
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bryant preferred 15 seer vs trane 16 seer - help me decide !!
Comments (20)Okay, after getting several quotes, we need some advice on selecting the best system for the best prices out of these 3 following quotes: #1 Steve's Service (A+ Rating BBB) BRYANT 165 A Puron 15 SEER / 2.5 ton 315JAV Evolution 80% /(70 BTU) / variable speed CE (coil) / 3 ton Bryant 7 day programmable / wireless thermostat (technician said that it shows Bryant on stat but not made by Bryant? could not locate this one Bryant web site) 4" media filter replacing all current registers with bar type registers 20 years warranty for heat exchanger from manuf. 10 years on compressor from manuf. 10 years parts/labor from company $5600 minus $400 Bryant rebate = $5200 out of pocket cost $5200 minus $1500 tax credit + $3700 actual cost And, since the Evolution furnace will push up the system the SEER to 16, Steve (tech) told us that we would qualify (with certificate from manuf.) for the $1500 tax credit Is this correct? #2 AC COOL (A+ BBB) Bryant 165 A / 2.5 ton Bryant312(3AV036)80% 2 speed 70 BTU Evap Coil CNRPT 2.5 ton Pro line thermostat 4" media filter replacing all current registers with bar type registers 20 years warranty for heat exchanger from manuf. 10 years on compressor from manuf. 10 years parts/labor from company $5800 minus $300 Bryant rebate Actual cost: $5500 (no tax credit) #3 Air Concepts (A+ BBB) American Standard Model: R410A / 4A7A5030B1000A 15 SEER / 2.5 Furnace: variable speed / AMT2B060A9U3VA / 95% / 60 BTU Evap. coil: 4X4C38/80 Honeywell 8000 thermostat 4" media filter replacing all current registers with bar type registers 30 years warranty for heat exchanger from manuf. 10 years on compressor from manuf. 2 years parts/labor from company 1 year maintenance 1 extra 4" filter $5987 minus $1500 (tax credit) = $4587 $4587 minus $200 (gas company rebate = $4287 So far, quote #1 seems to be a quality system for a good price. We would like to make the decision over the next couple of days. Let me know what system looks the best Are we missing anything here in these quotes? Thanks a bunch !!...See MoreCarrier 96 or American Standard 97 or Carrier 92?
Comments (7)Sorry for the confusion I caused with the new thread! The house is a 2 story colonial - 2,052 square feet plus a partially finished basement. How could I tell if the equipment was short cycling? I have been pretty comfortable with the exception of the second floor is sometimes hotter than the first floor in the summer- mostly addressed with the attic fan. I would not want to spend a lot of money to fix that. It has been a cool summer and not noticeable this year. That is why at least the one contractor that I asked did not think a two stage AC would be a good idea in this house. And why a 3 ton might be a better idea ��" although Manual J apparently says 2.5 ton (100% of cooling load ��" 26389 Btuh), if I understood what I read. Tigerdunes ��" what is a DF system (which you said you would not recommend)? Mike ��" I prefer leather seats in my cars! I was not sure I would actually be any more comfortable for the extra bucks since the rest of the house is from 1986. What should a contractor do to evaluate the ducts (if anything)? The ducts are not insulated as far as I can tell ��" just sheet metal. The house was built in 1986 with a heat pump system only. I converted to gas in 1996 ��" and I was thrilled to be able to do that. I calculated the cost of a therm by dividing therms used by total cost of gas on my bill ��" cost $1.28 per therm. I pay $13/month as a gas delivery charge whether I use any gas or not. I use about 560 therms/year (heating and cook top only). Using the same method, my total cost per kWh is $0.14 and I use about 19,000 kWh/year (everything else ��" hot water and clothes dryer, lights, etc). Contractor #1 did a Manual J and gave me the written report on software letter head (Wrightsoft Right J Mobile). Contractor #2 did not give me the Manual J but told me that he did it and it shows a total cooling load on the house using R19 insulation in my attic at 22,744 Btu's and a total cooling load at 21,750 using R30 insulation in the attic ��" which is not the same as the Manual J that I have in writing from Contractor #1??? According to Contractor #2, the Gold XI 2.5 ton A/C total cooling load at 95 degree outside temperature and 75 degree inside temperature is 24,400 Btu's. He said he could come back and take a closer look at the house if I would like. His original proposal has a 2.5 ton AC. Here is the updated pricing from Contractor #2: Proposal #1 - Supply and install an American Standard Gold ZM-80,000 Btu’s, 97% AFUE efficiency gas furnace and an American Standard Gold XI- 16 SEER 3 ton AC unit: AC AS 4A7A6036H1, single stage AC Furnace AS AUH2B080A9V3, 2 stage variable speed Coil AS 4TXCB036BC3 cooling coil. Thermostat AS digital programmable thermostat. Net cost to me $6,475.00 Proposal #2 - Supply and install an American Standard Platinum ZV-80,000 Btu’s, 96.7% AFUE efficiency gas furnace and an American Standard Platinum ZM- 16.25 SEER 3 AC unit: AC AS 4A7A7036A1- 2 stage Furnace AS AUHM1B080ACV3 ��" 2 stage variable speed Coil AS model 4TNCB036AC3 cooling coil Thermostat Honeywell Prestige 2.0 digital programmable Net cost to me: $7,925.00 Contractor #3 did not do a Manual J. I asked him for a price for the same Carrier equipment as Contractor #1 anyway. He said he was not able to do that because he did not inspect the work for an Infinity system. He would need to come back and look at the job to provide a price for the Infinity systems. That makes no sense to me because how could he give me a price on this system which was in his original proposal that contained the $4300 system? I had not included this option in my original post because it seemed like not a lot of bang for the extra bucks. AC Carrier Infinity 21 series two-stage 24ANB136A003 with a 3.0 ton cooling capacity Furnace Carrier Infinity 98 modulating gas furnace 59MN7080V17-14 Coil Carrier Infinity all aluminum N series vertical evaporator coil with an insulated jacket CNVP3717ALA with a 3.5 ton cooling capacity Thermostat Carrier Infinity touch series WiFi SYSTXCCITNO1A Mechanical Air Cleaner: model #:EZXCABCC1020 Power fan humidifier model #: HUMCCSFP1016 Net cost to me after rebates and discounts: $8,465.00 So one stage or 2 stage AC? 2.5 or 3 ton unit? Carrier or American Standard? Contractor 1 (5 year labor warranty through him), Contractor 2 (I think the 2 stage AC option might not be a good idea - 2 year labor ��" not sure if that is AS or him), or Contractor 3? What do you think of the Carrier 10 year labor warranty through Carrier? And thanks for your input! There were fewer choices 18 years ago. I am glad I am not sitting here with no heat doing this....See MoreBryant or American Standard, 1 or 2 stage for Florida
Comments (2)sunny I think if you dbl check, you will find the first option from AmStd is their newly released two stg Heritage 15. That would be my choice from those listed as long as it has the HW VP IAQ stat with dehumidify on demand feature. all have mediocre heating efficiency but for Fl location not a big issue. American Standard 4A6H5061E1000A (condenser); 4TEE3F66A100A Air handler) IMO...See MoreTrane XL15i vs American Standard Heritage 16
Comments (45)I have revisited this posting several times because I have been going back and forth trying to determine the pros and cons of a 15 versus 16 seer American Standard heat pump. We moved to Greenville, SC about two years ago knowing that we would be replacing our hvac system and duct work within a few years. We have a gas furnace and outdoor a/c that is about 22 years old. We have a reputable contractor and we have had the appropriate load calculation done. This thread has me stumped on which direction to go. We have a ranch style 2600 square foot home and we have no complaints about our humidity control in our home. With the current AS rebates the 16 seer 4-ton heat pump will be about the same cost as the 15 but I wondering if we want it. People prefer the latent humidity control of the 15 but why and what does that mean? I understand that the efficiency difference between the two is small. My main concern is the humidity control between the two systems. What is the difference between on demand humidity control on the thermostat versus the humidity control on the 16 seer AS model? Would having the first stage setting running more often than a 15 create more condensation on the coil and make us more susceptible to moisture/mold issues? If so, how do you know this? I spoke to someone today who had the 15 seer furnace and outdoor a/c and within two weeks asked for the contractor to upgrade them to the 16 seer because they said their home was too humid. He said he is in love with his system now. Can this experience be applied to the heatpumps? Thanks so much!!...See MoreM Bennett
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