Own root Pope John II in zone 6 and lower...does it thrive?
Moses, Pittsburgh, W. PA., zone 5/6, USA
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St. Patricks and Pope John Paul II Roses - where to order?
Comments (8)I have St. Ptrick on order grafted from S&W Greenhouse for Spring, but Palatine Roses also carries it (both excellent sellers & appear to still have it in stock). Roses Unlimited & Burlington carry it own root, but I've always been told a rule of thumb is to buy HT's grafted...some of the other posters may be able to shed some light on how St. Patrick grows ownroot though. My Pope John Paul came from J&P. I bought mine grafted, but it looks like this year they're only selling it ownroot. ~Tammy...See MoreOwn root rose?
Comments (13)"I always thought Hybrid Teas are grafted?" Own Root roses can be bare root. The term refers to the state the rose is in when sold, not the way the bush is propagated. By removing the soil from an own root rose you make it a bare root. Until producing grafted roses became so expensive, they were the only type grown by the bigger growers. Over the years, common reference to the way a rose is sold has led to the term "bare root" becoming synonymous with grafted roses. Like other varieties, a hybrid tea can be sold bare root as a rooted cutting or a grafted (budded) bush. Because a bare root bush is usually larger than an own root of the same age, a grafted bush will produce more blooms quicker. After a year or two of being planted both will reach the same size and bloom the same. Own root roses can be custom propagated and sold as a band within a couple of months of being started while a grafted rose requires two years before it's ready to be sold. Own roots are being offered by more growers as their labor costs increase due to the crack down on illegal aliens. Grafting is very labor intensive and requires great skill while rooting cuttings is easier and doesn't need a lot of training. A grafted rose requires lots of acreage and expensive machinery to grow the bushes and depends greatly on the weather. Rooted cuttings can be started and grown in greenhouses all year long. They can be grown and shipped in the same pots. It's all about money and the bottom line, not any desire to meet the demands of the public....See MoreIs there a better white rose than Pope John Paul II ?
Comments (41)Ric-VA-commenting on an older post. I have both and maybe JFK/Pascali(lost the nametag, so don't know if it's jfk/pascali) . PJPII fragrance is not as strong as sugar moon, but it's so Amazing in it's own way and so is the flower form and shape. Planted near the front door and I can smell it every time. Got this one from a nursery and it was already a lush looking plant-probably bare root planted maybe from Weeks. Sugar Moon, got own root fro RUnlimited in 2017, this year the small plant is valiantly putting out new branches and blooming non stop- It is never without a bloom(love it so far), came through our bad winter without any diebacks-there was no winter protection. SM has an amazing strong fragrance and so is the flower- it blooms slowly and the slow progression of the bloom lasts atleast a week, and then suddenly it goes from looking like an HT rose to a peony. I love both and they are special in their own way and worth buying. JFK / Pascali great looking HT flower, very slight fragrance(hard to tell, we had non stop rain), lots of new canes. Need to watch for black spot...My recommendation is ofcourse-Buy both of them. In the white category-I also have Bolero(too small, have not bloomed yet), Iceberg(bareroot, 1st year, loaded with buds but has not yet bloomed), LilyPons(cute with pointy petals, can't detect any fragrance, flowers which started of small are are getting bigger), rugosa alba-intensely pure rose fragrance(can smell it across the yard-suburban), miniature white rose from walmart- unknown but a bloom machine....See MoreOwn root Pope Johh Paul
Comments (14)I have two PJPII roses that I purchased from my local nursery. They got the roses from J&P and they are both own-root roses. I planted them last year and they did spectacularly. They overwintered exceptionally well this past winter in my zone 5b/6a Northwest Missouri garden without any added winter protection from me. They only get what leaves fall from nearby oak trees that cluster around the roots of the roses. Both are breaking dormancy quite well and are really putting on the foliage and also already have several flower buds starting to show so I think I will have flowers in a couple of weeks. The blooms are so beautifully ice white, large, well formed, and super fragrant. I also have two Veterans' Honor bushes from J&P. One is grafted on Dr. Huey and the other is own root. I really think the own root bush which is a year younger is the better of the two VH bushes. Personally I have had pretty good luck with J&P roses whether I have ordered them directly from J&P or if I got them from the nursery who also orders them from J&P. Don't let your distrust of J&P make you miss the joy of owning the PJPII rose. It is truly one of the great roses available today. John...See More
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