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Placing a backlit onyx slab in shower wall

Felix
6 years ago
I’m building a new house and I really like this design of the shower:
Contemporary Shower · More Info

I like how the slab breaks the monotonous white and grey with a splash of dramatic color.
Does anybody have experience installing a backlit onyx in a shower wall? I read that it can be achieved also with stone veneer or printed glass. I would love to get you input with references to manufactures, costs, and any challenges you had in the process (how do you replace a burnt light?)

Comments (56)

  • PRO
    Patricia Colwell Consulting
    6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    Not helpful is sometimes the poster fault. We have no idea of your budget so maybe share that. Onyx this size will cost $$$$ not to mention how to back light it? Where will you access the electrical/ slablite is not cheap in my understanding. and IMO not worth the money spent.to make the shower wall a star. I know not helpful either .

  • PRO
    Springtime Builders
    6 years ago

    In the not helpful spirit, I'd wager that's a $250-350 per sqft stone selection.

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  • B Carey
    6 years ago

    Felix-It doesn't sound like anyone has any experience with a project like this.

    Have you tried any of the google sources? This place shows that their lighting product is waterproof.

    http://www.tylercoinc.com/slablite.html

  • Felix
    Original Author
    6 years ago
    Stating that something is “expensive” is not helpful because it’s a subjective term and it doesn’t help me budget the project.

    Has anybody worked with printed glass? I could achieve the same effect but I have no idea where can I get it in the US. I found this company in the UK: spanlite.com

    How much does Slablite cost?
  • User
    6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    Your architect, design team, and GC is who you need to be having this conversation with. Local sources and trades may or may not work with your ideas. You may need to import from a larger metro area. Materials and trades both. It does zero good to fantasize about a look that your design team cannot accomplish.

  • B Carey
    6 years ago

    Try calling/emailing the Canada contact for spanlite? There doesn't appear to be any photos of use in showers/pools like the other product. So make sure it is waterproof.


  • User
    6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    https://www.marbleandgranite.com/blog/2014/march-2014/crystaline-stone-surfacing-inspired-by-the-sea

    https://www.houzz.com/photos/master-shower-w-backlit-onyx-slab-contemporary-bathroom-san-francisco-phvw-vp~38355470

    Not helpful, but we access our jacuzzi tub motor through our closet, which it backs onto....perhaps you could consider that same kind of idea...

  • Mrs Pete
    6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    That is a beautiful piece of stone and a very cool feature. Speaking only for myself though, I wouldn't place a splurge of that magnitude in the bathroom where only I would see it.

    I have no knowledge on how such a thing would be put together, but I am certain the stone itself would cost at least 10K. That's an exotic stone -- you wouldn't get the same impact from a run-of-the-mill granite. You could go with a tall-narrow piece of stone instead of a full-wall stone.

    Could you place the shower "behind" the tub ... and put this expensive stone between them so they'd each benefit from this splurge?

    I've seen pix of backlit countertops. They might have something in common with this project.

    Beyond the stone and light, this is a very large shower, which requires square footage and money. You wouldn't get the same impact with a smaller shower.

  • jimpats
    6 years ago

    Felix, MARVA in Portsmouth has on display a backlit onyx. I think they have it on display at ARC granite & Marble also. For glass I am told Satori glass might be way to go.

    Hope this helps.

  • PRO
    Joseph Corlett, LLC
    6 years ago

    This is how you backlight stone.

  • chispa
    6 years ago

    I nearly went with Onyx for my master bedroom fireplace. The slabs were on the small side and I was going to need 3. Each slab was about $10K. I had the budget, but in the end decided it wasn't worth doing in a room I mostly use in the dark!

  • suezbell
    6 years ago

    The very term "back lit" implies it's lit from behind -- yet it's not "clear" for the light to pass through??????

    Wouldn't you actually need directional recessed ceiling lights such as is often found in front of a fireplace or lighting intended for high end art -- but that is intended for use near water?

  • User
    6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    It’s translucent., not transparent. There are ways of backlighting, even in a shower. But the whole infrastructure has to be designed around It, and it needs to be accessible.

    I did a full height two sided fireplace design with a bundle of red onyx slabs book-matched. THE feature of the home. Just the stone was over 100K. Not the fabrication, or the infrastructure. Just the stone. And the customer was a stone importer, so that was wholesale.

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  • saratogaswizzlestick
    6 years ago

    What a shame that is so expensive. It is drop dead gorgeous.

  • chicagoans
    6 years ago

    It's quite stunning! I like the resource that Joseph posted.

  • PRO
    Anglophilia
    6 years ago

    It IS stunning! But then so is Chatsworth with the gilding on the windows - absolutely spectacular when the light hits them - the entire house just "glows". But I won't be doing it on my own house.

    When I was young and in my very first house, I wanted to wallpaper the MBR. A neighbor who was a close friend of my MIL, worked at a local wallpaper store that even sold high-end, to-the-trade papers. I went to look for paper and she insisted I only look in books I could afford - said once I'd seen the more expensive ones, I'd never be happy with what was realistic. She was right.

    Now, I do believe in training ones eye by seeing the best of the best! It's how we learn to recognize good design. But it must always be with the knowledge that the best of the best, is probably not what we can afford - be inspired by it, but realistic in how to achieve some of the look. It's a thin line...

  • gtcircus
    6 years ago
    Slablite is a produce that utilizes LED for translucent onyx and other stones. I am not sure this is back lit, however, if it utilizes an LED high powered beam be sure to get a lighting specialist involved. Onyx is a rather porous stone, so you will want to have the fabricator seal it and work with them for your specific application. Something this spectacular will likely only be available from the quarry via photos, so it will be important to work with a larger high end fabricator that will have access to spectacular stone. I found out that not everyone deals in high end stone - because I wanted a large Calacatta Marble slab, most fabricators don’t deal in it. So one thing to ask is simply when was the last time you installed a Calacatta or Onyx slab. Yes, stone is expensive, but if it is what you want and you can afford it, then please pursue it. I would guess that this slab is anywhere from $8-$12,000 installed based upon my recent experience.
  • jimpats
    6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    @Sophie, how much sq ft of Onyx or how big and how many slabs were purchased for $100k.

  • PRO
    Flo Mangan
    6 years ago

    I have done high-end master shower with exotic stone (not backlit) and it was a very big project, designed from the get go of the design process. There are many factors involved that need to be considered before anything is done on site. All in the basic design. Weight of stone, entry into space after sheetrock, proper drainage, seaming, waterproofing, etc., etc. Specialty installers are necessary everything Sophie has posted is completely correct. I have seen a back wall of a bar done in a model home near me with the backlit onyx. Just above the couner and it cost over $30K, so this is not for the faint of heart, and certainly requires extreme planning and a very large budget. I would not recommend it for a home that is priced under $2M.

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    Kristin Petro Interiors, Inc.
    6 years ago

    This slab of quartzite (Lucent) is translucent and can be backlit. Wholesale price was $6k for the size shown (not including install). By the time you get the correct team (experienced, licensed and professional), infrastructure, permits, etc. I would guess this would be a $25k- $30k upgrade. If you need two slabs, they would need to be bookmatched which could double or triple the cost of material. If that’s in your budget, then I suggest you first find the right professionals who can design and plan this with you. If done well, it could be stunning.

  • bichonbabe
    6 years ago

    I thought I wanted Onyx for my kitchen island. Estimate was $40k ! Went with granite instead.

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    Joseph Corlett, LLC
    6 years ago

    Anyone thinking of backlighting is foolish if they don't consider some of the translucent solid surfaces, especially those by Avonite. Far and away outperforms Onyx and much less expensively. And looks every bit as good.

  • K Laurence
    6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    I have a large backlit Onyx buffet / dry bar between my living & dining rooms. The effect is spectacular. SLABlites were used . Yes, they’ expensive, just the LED lights alone were $2k plus cost of electrician to install. The onyx wasn’t cheap either ... lol....but it is beautiful.

  • Felix
    Original Author
    6 years ago
    I can get a backlit printed glass for less than $2k. Only variable is installation
  • PRO
    Joseph Corlett, LLC
    6 years ago

    Sophie Wheeler has again hit the mark. Accessibility/disassembly MUST be integrated into any backlit installation or you're risking destroying the project to save it.


    I subbed on a backlit bar top several years ago with no input on design. We no sooner got the last leg of a 25 foot top set permanently when some of the inaccessible LED lights underneath went out. I don't know how they ever got it fixed.

  • K Laurence
    6 years ago

    Luckily my cabinetmaker prepared for such a contingency, my countertop lifts off easily. Happily none have gone out in two years. The company told me they last for approximately 25 + years, I often leave my on days at a time, they’re dimmable.

  • User
    6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    Cheap non tempered printed glass doesn’t remove the fact that you need the skilled design and install team for this. That is what makes or breaks the whole project. You don’t get any of this look with the lowest bidder. You do get to have a serious trip to the emergency room with the low bidder and cheap glass. That’s not the sweepstakes that anyone wants to win.

  • PRO
    Filipe Custom Woodwork
    6 years ago
    last modified: 6 years ago

    Felix have you tried 3form? it is an acrylic material with different applications, wether residential or commercial...try looking into them. The material will be easier to work with as opposed to natural stone......


    I found the Lighting Co. that has this photo posted. Look under the question section on the right bottom and drop down...they have a lot of info in terms of the origin of this pic etc. You can follow up with some of the posters in order to figure out the install to this particular bathroom.


    https://www.houzz.com/photos/contemporary-shower-contemporary-bathroom-denver-phvw-vp~884648

  • mdemers123
    5 years ago

    Hello, am based in Montreal, QC, Canada. I am in the process of doing just this :-) I imported a 4 ft x 6 ft slab of amethyst from India and will be integrating it in the back of my shower wall which will be covered in Calacatta marble the same as the rest of the shower. The shower will be 5 ft x 9 ft by 8 ft high with 2 shower positions / benches and 2 rain shower heads. The benches will be 2.5in thick opal white marble. Behind the amethyst will be a lighting panel with LEDs that are designed to disperse the light in a flooding pattern. The transformer driving these lights is the only thing that may require maintenance over time so it will be installed remotely with easy access in my walk-in closet adjacent to the master bath. LEDs will be used in other places in the room providing indirect lighting. I am also integrating art in the design of the bathroom with a 3 ft x 4 ft original piece from a local artist that will be recessed in a wall behind the free standing tub. The piece will be lighted indirectly by LEDs installed in 45 degree angle aluminum extrusions with dispersing plastic lenses. If anyone is interested, I will post pictures as the work progresses. I just completed the redesign of the first floor of the house as well. The slab cost $7k delivered to my house. The backlighting components cost less than $1k. the slab will be anchored to an L shaped stainless steel frame that will be embedded into the wall structure. The light panel will be embedded 2 inches deeper to provide space for light dispersion and prevent the spotty effect. Since the LEDs do not generate a lot of energy the heat will not be a problem. All in all, I expect this feature will have cost me less than $10k including materials and labor :-)


    The project should be done this week or next.

  • Felix
    Original Author
    5 years ago
    @mdemers123 sounds amazing. Make sure to share photos.

    A word of caution though, based on everything I read, marble should be avoided in a shower since it’s very porous and will absorb soap and mold. At the very least make sure you seal it a few times a year.
  • mdemers123
    5 years ago

    Here is a preliminary picture of my Master Bathroom project :-) The hardest part is now done, my Amethyst slab is installed and backlit :-) If anyone wants more details / pictures I would be happy to share. I will add more pictures as the project progresses ...


  • mdemers123
    5 years ago

    Marble tile installation starts Monday. And yes I intend to seal the marble as well as the slab regularly :-)

  • tangerinedoor
    5 years ago

    I'm confused about whether you're using glass or onyx (which surely is a stone?). I would be VERY concerned about using glass in a panel like that for safety reasons. It could easily get shattered (e.g. by the handheld shower flying out of your hand) and might be very dangerous if that happened. There'd be glass all over you and underfoot while you're in the altogether?

    I'm building a shower with high gloss Lustrolite panels. The color is from paint on the back of the panel. They're acrylic. I believe they can custom color (or maybe even mount a design?) for you. I can't see any reason why they couldn't be backlit.

  • Annastacia
    5 years ago
    I am slightly confused if you are dead set on stone, such as onyx, or just the back lit effect?

    Look into Vetrite, this is what I am using for my master...Its spectacular in person, and much easier install.
  • Felix
    Original Author
    5 years ago
    last modified: 5 years ago

    @mdemers123 wow! Can’t wait to see the final product!
    At this point I moved beyond this topic and using regular tile. I was hoping to spruce things up with chroma light but my sub is asking $1000(!) to wire it... ugh!

  • PRO
    Flo Mangan
    5 years ago
    I have done this in a high end home with a LED back light. HOWEVER, it has to be designed into the slab so the weight of the slab is managed, you have to install it early so you can get it into the space and we had faux wall with access behind for any maintenance. I could go on. It cost about $30k more than tiled shower. The shower had all bells and whistles and final cost was over $69k. So it can be done but it was a real headache and challenge plus, some hair products can mess it up. Glad you moved away from the idea. Better in a bar of a game room type setting.
  • mdemers123
    5 years ago

    Hello again, I am progressing with my project. Here are some pictures of the details of the installation for those who need inspiration :-) If you need more info I would be happy to provide, just message me. Thanks!


























  • mdemers123
    5 years ago

    I included some pictures of the slab when it arrived from India. It is not ONYX and it is not glass, it is a slab of AMETHYST, a semi-precious purple stone (my wife loves purple :-)


    The backlighting is from 4000k high output LEDs. In total, about 800 Watts of LEDs ( 24 strips of 6 ft each every 2 inches) power by 3 x 350W 24 VDC power supplies with WiFi LED controller. The LEDs are mounted on a panel with reflective foil. The panel is behind the slab about 2-3 inches to insure proper light dispersion and coverage.


    The back of the wall will be covered with lacquered panels that will be removable for maintenance in the future.



  • mdemers123
    5 years ago

    I will add more pictures once the furniture is installed and plumbing is completed.

  • PRO
    GannonCo
    5 years ago

    There is a San Diego? based Co that sells very similar backlit panels that look exactly like stone but arent. They really look like stone and are sold with the backlighting system. I believe NorthCounty Tile has them in their showroom.


    Great design work. I wish I could put our pics into every waterproofing comment on here. This is an example where a complicated waterproofing system is needed not a simple tub/shower.


  • Fsal
    5 years ago
    @mdemers absolutely stunning!!!
  • mdemers123
    5 years ago
    Almost done :-) a few details left + glass extra clear shower door.
  • B Carey
    5 years ago

    Wow...that amethyst is stunning. Makes a very unique feature. I may have missed it, but what is the glass/photo above the tub?

  • mdemers123
    5 years ago
    It is enamel on copper done by a local Montreal artist. The piece is recessed into the wall about 4 inches with indirect LED lighting. The piece is 3 ft x 4 ft :-) The subject is 2 sail boats on the sea.
  • d manoie
    3 years ago

    $160

    sq/ft for backlit festure not including the stone

  • King Khanh
    3 years ago

    Come across your great idea,

    yes doable, and affordable with Arcrylic Faux Onyx Translucent Backlit shower panel.

    Khanh

  • PRO
    Baci Design
    3 years ago

    Hi I love this post your bathroom is stunning, I have a question about the steel L shaped brackets how exactly do they hold the Black lite stone? I’m trying to find a local steel fabricator to make brackets for a 9’x5’ onyx stone to be hung on a wall nobody seems to grasp the idea.

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    @Baci Design did you happen o hand the onyx stone ?


  • Michelle F.
    5 months ago

    Mdemers123, it’s been five years, any issues with the lights? We’re doing this in our kitchen and I’m working with our architect on somehow creating access for when the lights need replacement/maintenance. Did you address this or not worry about it? (Lighting consultant is doing the lights, for the naysayers that respond).