Electrical in T&G ceiling with no attic
Wayne Reibold
6 years ago
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Painting weathered T&G porch ceiling...need pointers/advice
Comments (9)Thank ya'll for the help and info, I really appreciate it. You've clarified some things for me and also opened up some new questions for me... I really was hoping to stick with waterbased primer and paint...the small projects in the past with oil-based paints just seemed to end up messy with paintbrushes that I never could get clean. I'm sure I'm gonna need the knowledge of working with the oil-based stuff sooner or later anyhow. It looks like the materials procurement is going to be a chore in itself. I'm gonna have to do some long-distance shopping. Looking in my local yellow pages I come up with one paint dealer...a Pittsburgh Paints dealer. A problem that I run into is that I'm rural and have to drive roughly 65 miles to the nearest Lowe's. I'll probably have to venture up to Montgomery, AL to find a true paint store....that will probably be 130 miles roundtrip. It looks like several SW stores are up there but not many "mom and pop" stores...I'll see what I can find. Do the SW stores normally handle other brands of paint/primer??? PG, your view of caulking and the cost difference between good and mediocre brands makes sense to me...with your's and Faron's recommendations I'll be returning the Alex Plus and looking for something along the lines of Dynaflex 230. I went to Lowe's last night trying to see what sanding/scraping/etc. supplies they might have that will help me get the old paint off/sanded. I was going to pick up a respirator. They had two different ones in stock (can't remember the brands), one stated it was for sanding and insulation and teh other stated it was for painting and spraying chemicals. Reading the fine print both of them stated they weren't for use with lead. I didn't buy either one. I figure it was the basic "we warned you, don't blame us..." statement and that they probably would work fine...I'll keep a lookout for a 3M brand. Sanding equipment...I looked at different electric sanders and figured I'd get a *real* good dust bath with one of those...ended up simply getting some sandpaper and sanding block along with a couple of foam sanding blocks. I'll see how that goes...mostly will be used to feather edge the remaining paint. I'll be doing a lot of windows later on...if I do decide to pick up an electric sander would an random orbital or a 1/4 sheet finishing sander be better? As for the ceiling itself... In some places there are definite large gaps between the T&G pieces. I've already pulled some large strings of caulking from between some of the pieces. I agree that T&G should fit snuggly together. I don't know if the caulking was used when the house was constructed or if it was added later on...it's a silicone-type so I guess it would have to be of more recent year vintage. It appears that most of the caulking was used more toward the outside areas of the ceiling closest to the weather so it probably was used to fill weather-created gaps. ??? I'm curious as to whether it will be worth my while to order some caulking by the case...that big window in the pictures is one of sixteen that size or 2.5X that size. I may wait and see how much I use on the two windows under the porch and then order some accordingly...or hopefully find some locally (at least as local as possible). weed_cutter, you are right about the roof...flat and no ventilation to speak up between the metal top and the T&G. But, the reason for the bad condition of some of the T&G is pretty much due to several bad leaks that existed before the metal roof was installed. Thanks for the vote on the Duramax...it's supposed to be the one-coat/no-primer stuff but I still want to go down with a primer coating. In regards to windows...is DAP '33' good glazing material? I'm going to need to re-glaze panes in several of the windows. Well, I'm adjusting my shopping lists and will plan on a road trip to Montgomery. Thanks for the help! Ed...See MoreExposed wiring in attic previously connected to ceiling fan
Comments (9)I made a statement about code that was too simple/cavalier. The code requirement for a neutral conductor in a switch box with a switch loop took effect in January 2020 if you are under the 2017 electrical code, and I swear they just wanted to make the wording confusing. The new requirement says the switch box with the switch loop must contain a "grounded connector", which is what most people refer to as the neutral. This requires three insulated wires and one bare ground wire to be run to the switch location. However, this neutral is not actually connected to the switch and it is not part of the switch loop. This picture shows an example of a properly wired switch. https://www.jlconline.com/how-to/electrical/new-dead-end-single-pole-switiches_o It seems like overkill, but apparently that is how it would be done. Bruce...See MoreAdvice - old tongue and groove ceiling and moving attic access
Comments (8)You are not going to be able to remove entire, nailed tongue and groove boards without at least a bit of damage, and trying to do so to move around the attic opening is too big a task for what you want to accomplish. If it were me, I'd remove the trim around the attic opening and then carefully cut out the tongue and groove boards that were to the left and right of the opening. You wouldn't have to take out entire boards, but you could cut out partial lengths so you had staggered joints, and have new tongue and groove milled to the old dimensions that you would use to patch in. If you have a skilled carpenter do this, the staggered butt joints will not draw attention to the fix. Then you can cut in a new opening where you want, trim it, and paint everything. Whatever you do, don't put sheetrock over that great ceiling....See MoreWork needed to strengthen Attic Floor Joists of finished attic room
Comments (11)I am going to guess that you purchased an older Cape Cod style house. And that the moniker "finished" storage just describes a quick aesthetic to make the house seem much larger for resale, but storage is storage. And probably does not meet code for structural framing, life safety (egress/stairs, light+ventilation), energy (insulation) for anything other than "attic storage," which is why that term was used to avoid liability. However, without more information it is unknown. It seems from your writing and questions you are at a small crossroads: if you are just pondering options in a new-to-you house, then expanding your knowledge base of Cape Cods, basic framing and terminology in order to communicate, programming of spaces (e.g. sizes and requirements of spaces) and associated needs for support (e.g. bedroom with certain size windows, bathroom near plumbing), etc; or, if you are serious about capturing the attic space then finding a trusted competent professional who can guide you through this and are paid for their services. Often, the latter is more difficult, especially if you do not do some level of the former. To answer your specific questions: 1. The span of a floor joist is most likely the exterior wall to a central 1st floor bearing wall. Kneewalls probably have no consideration in your floor framing. 2. Address the hows once you determine the whats. 3. There are insulation and venting requirements and needs, which can be accounted for. There could be some practical issues without kneewalls. 4. Most likely harmful if the existing structure is not set up for that and altering would be unreasonable....See MoreWayne Reibold
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