Who rips out a fireplace?
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Mrs. S
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Ripping out old bath- sheetrock + tile = mold
Comments (11)Oh boy. I was you, about 8 years ago. We just needed new windows, they were moldy. So we saved up to replace them, casings and all. Turns out, our development was built right in the middle of a huge scandal in this area involving paying off building inspectors, etc, etc. Lucky us! So then the siding came off. No Tyvec wrap. No insulation. No flashing. Lots of mold. So now we add new plywood, wrapping, insulated siding on Day 1. THEN we get to the back of the house. Deck is built with boards parallel to the house instead of perpendicular. Rotted 3 boards deep where it was attached because...no flashing. So now we also need to dig out the rotted wood, displace all the carpenter ants, and repair. Oh! And as a bonus, the sliding door was not attached to the house frame except for one large wad of caulk in one corner. But did we learn? NOPE! We spent 6 years recovering from the unexpected expenses and also grading the lawn/replacing the deck. The lawn sloped -toward the house, so the sump pump ran all the time. I was concerned about damage to the foundation eventually, so we fixed it. What a difference! Then 2 years ago we started in again. The tub chipped, so I decided it had to go because I was afraid of what I'd find under it. Fortunately, the only surprise that project was the sink pipes not actually being fastened together in the wall. It was a miracle we didn't have a waterfall in our kitchen! Speaking of kitchen, we just finished a remodel. Among the choice building techniques we found were rows of test holes for almost every screw in the cabinets trying to find the studs. A spacer above the microwave/vent made of scrap 2x4 and masking tape. Then there was the live wire left dangling in the wall with just some tape on the end, that was special. The other wiring was so convoluted it took a whole morning to figure out what was attached to what and where things went. Luckily, that concludes the major kitchen problems. Let's move on to my current projects. We had to gut the basement and replace all the drywall due to mold. And they used the wrong type of insulation in the basement (the fluffy cotton candy stuff), so that all went and we now have the proper insulation. We had another live wire with tape hidden in the ceiling. None of the outlets or switches were attached to the wall, they were just in boxes dangling on the end of the wires held in place by the faceplates. We had one vent discovered that had been walled over. They also ran out of space in the panel box for power circuits. So what to do with all the electric in the basement? Why, just feed an outlet nearby, then run FOUR leads from there. Code here is 2 max. We at least had a GFI on that outlet, but not on the one used for the sump pump. Plus that GFI also controlled the second floor bath outlet and the box in the kitchen with the outdoor light and under cabinet lights on it. Trust me, that was not easy to figure out! Speaking of wiring, there was also a light box under the drop ceiling. No fixture, I had no idea it was there. But there were 3 wires that connected through there, and one coming out that went over the rim. So you couldn't even attach a fixture if you wanted to! Our GC has never seen anything like it. We had to upgrade the panel box before the kitchen project, so at least now everything we've touched is up to code and on appropriate circuits, GFI, etc. Oh! And the fireplace, which I've been working on while the GC does the basement. The mantel was wider than the hearth, so it had about an inch overhang on each side. Classy! So decided to replace them both. Turns out, the reason the tiles on the side of the hearth looked loose was because they were. They tiled right on the plywood, so most of those side tiles came of with my own hands, no tools. So what's my point? You have an important decision to make. If you think this is original builder incompetence, you need to either jump ship now before the rest of their stuff crumbles (or burns the house down), or decide it's worth staying and save like crazy to make the needed repairs on the way. It may even pay off to find a GC you trust and have him go over everything, and I mean -everything- in detail to see what you can catch early and what to prepare for. For your sake, I hope it was just the tile guy that was horrible. But if the builder didn't catch that, which would have been obvious for days (or lack thereof), I wouldn't hold high hopes. (BTW, all this was on top of normal stuff, like a roof at about 25 years, new furnace after about 27, etc...)....See Morerip out a factory fireplace...then what?
Comments (4)Hi guy in new house, I am in a similar situation. From my research there are 2 things you can do. 1. Install a wood burning insert. Now that would mean you do NOT rip out the existing prefab fireplace. You would have to find an insert that is approved for installation into a prefab ZC fireplace and that fits your opening. Plus you would have to reline your chimney with some SS liner. 2. This is the route that I chose. Rip out your prefab and install a high efficiency fireplace/stove instead. Again you would have to look for a unit that appr. fits into your wall opening (unless you don't mind some reframing) and you would need a new chimney pipe. I hope this gives you an idea on how to get start. Good luck with your decision -Heiko...See MoreRipping the Whole Thing Out!!
Comments (34)Plumeria, I understand your frustration. My husband and I almost had our 1880's home *destroyed* by unscrupulous contractors. We hired an award winning architect, David Dillard, and his design build company, Historic Projects of New Orleans, LLC to perform our restoration. Dillard stole over $75K from us and we've been turned back at nearly every corner while he is free to continue destroying people's homes and lives. I know what you mean about "unwrapping your brain." The worst part is that after these animals are out of your house, they are not out of your lives. I just keep clawing back every chance I get. I go after him everywhere I can. If the legal system won't help me, word of mouth must. It took me six months to recover enough from the shock and awe of this betrayal to start the process of hiring a new contractor. I feel like a victim still, and trusting my new contractor is a slow and daily struggle. I feel like an abuse victim. You will need strength to get through this. We've filed insurance claims against his general liability policy - maybe won't get anything, but above all, I'm building a record. Maybe something someone else will find down the road and they won't hire him. Our state contractor's board did nothing. The architect's board - nothing. The DA has a six month backlog... When our new contractor started it turns out I have a "renegade permit" that doesn't protect me or my job in terms of inspections, etc. David Dillard stole $1K from me to get a worthless permit. Dillard has made me look like a scofflaw because I went along with this stuff because I didn't know any better. Call a lawyer and start the process to get these people punished. However, the one thing I learned was not to fire them (although bar them from your property) until I spoke to an attorney. You do not want to alter any terms of your contract until you have sound legal advice....See MoreI just ripped out my kitchen backsplash!
Comments (13)Ashe 42, I love charcoal slate and these tiles are great. They are rectangular with variation in size of the rectangles, so sort of a more linear look than a lot of traditional square slate tiles. The tile is from Earthstone Gallery in Reno, NV but I don't actually know the brand (ordered them directly from the showroom based on the display). I now have 24 square feet of gently used tile, but it wasn't inexpensive - upward of $20/sq ft as I recall. Argh. Linelle, thanks for the words of support - greatly appreciated! Unfortunately there is some tangential family connection and it is a small community. I don't think they're bad people, it's just not a business model that lends itself to good customer service (we have to fight with them to get itemized cost lists, like for plumbing fixtures, and then consistently find errors - all of which labels us "bad clients"). This crew does good work, so I'm a lot better off than other stories I've heard in that I feel the house will hold up! All the subs live in fear of this builder and their designers, who will cut them off at the drop of a hat if they talk to their clients out of turn, etc. But that is the business model - controlling the clients to get them to agree to what is profitable, and controlling the subs to get them to do what they want, is the bottom line for the relatively low price/sq ft in a more assembly line "semi-custom home" approach. I do feel ambivalent about having made this choice, and honestly had no idea what I was getting into; nonetheless, it was our choice. The good news is that I really like the foreman and many of the subs, so the people who are actually doing the work are great (vs the owners, managers and avaricious designers)....See Moremelle_sacto is hot and dry in CA Zone 9/
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