When we planted our first roses in 1987, there were but a small handful of nurseries. Then we had a stretch of about 20 years when more and more wonderful specialty rose nurseries came into being. We had an embarrassment of riches.

Now . . . Darned near back to where we were when we started. :-(

Paul, thank you for the offer. I am aware based on other posts of you that you are in the Corvallis-ish area. My mom lives west of Albany off of Riverside, Parrot's appliance was at the intersection of Riverside and Hwy 34 in the past. Where are you located in relationship to hwy 34?

I’m west of Corvallis, near the university. Email me directly if you wish to come dig suckers (of anything): trospero "at" gmail "dot" com

I will give you specific directions/map.

And I have to echo what Jeri just said: we saw a span of about twenty years that were a New Gold Age of OGRs - an era that has reverted back to an earlier state of very few nurseries offering very limited choices.

I imagine that in 1985, the only way to get pieces of many of the heirloom roses we've had access to until recently, was to beg a piece from someone who grew it. That is pretty much how I view our current state as well. I can work with that. So come dig suckers of whatever has suckers to offer!

[The Reeve[(https://www.houzz.com/discussions/a-rose-that-is-pleasing-me-greatly-dsvw-vd~1701077?n=33) is available grafted from Hortico and they ship to the US. I grew this rose in the east and was very fond of it. It is truly a modern repeat blooming rose with a very Old Rose Character. I no longer have room for many roses in my new home, down to 20 from almost 100, but would grow it again if I did have room.

Cheers, Rick

Can you grow a rose from suckers? I am just curious or is it a joke or is it for real.

Jin

You bet you can, Jin! The main thing is to make sure you get a decent amount of root with the sucker, and take good care of the rose while it is establishing itself. Really the process isn't too much different from dividing perennials. Some roses are propagated almost exclusively from suckers, like Spinossisimas, because they don't like to root from cutting.

Pulmeria Girl - The term "suckers" is used to mean 2 different (sort of) things. One is new canes emerging from below the graft (ie from the rootstock) of grafted roses. You can grow a rose from them (by rooting them), but it will not be the top (scion) rose you want, it will be whatever rose was used for the rootstock.

The other kind of "suckers" are those mentioned above - they are also new canes emerging from the roots of a rose, but in this instance the rose in question is growing on ITS OWN ROOTS, so the suckers are the same rose as the top bush. Sometimes you can dig them up with a bit of root attached, so you do not have to root them.

Jackie

I feel the same way Brandon. I actually made a post last year, I believe is when it was. As a matter of fact, I was trying to order Doorenbos Selection from Cornhill Nusery in Canada this morning but it was going to cost $65 for just the shipping. Living on disability I just cannot afford it. They had two more I was wanting, but I just could not afford to do that. Maybe later and I save and try again..

There are also plenty of centifolias, Gallicas and Hybrid China's that I really want, as well as two Teas, and like you there are a few RVR carries but never has in-stock. Marrianne is one I'm waiting to get for them to re-stock as well. The rest however are nowhere to be bought from, since no one carries them.

Some people here on the forum have very genourously shared a couple that I really wanted. There are just some more that I would like as well. I was taught to be thankful for what you get and never be greedy ,so I try so hard not to ask for everything, lol. Very advid collector here, :) in case you can't tell.

I put myself on the wait list for Janet Inada. I just know I'm going to miss it if it comes up. I get so much spam email. I've stopped answering the landline I have here in WV, because it's telemarketers and people pretending to be the IRS. They even leave made up badge numbers on the answering machine, telling me I will be arrested. lol

I just ordered "Duchesse de Montebello" from Heirloom, Brandon FWIW. I too find it surprising that these great roses are so rare. I have found you really have to jump if a rarity comes into stock. I emailed "Old Market Farm" which was supposed to sell some rarities and got no response. I just ordered "Orpheline de Julliet" and "Rush Family Gallica" from RVRs. I hope they get the right ones, or barring that send me "Rook" (listed as out of stock) or another treasure by mistake. Can I ask them to really try to get the right ones?

I have both of those Sheila if they don't send the right ones. Rush is new but Orpheline sent it's first sucker last year and I traded with it. I'm hoping it sends more up this year. Those are actually two of my most favorite roses I own. I only saw one bloom from Rush laast year but it was enough!

As Jackie said -- Whether you can grow a rose from a sucker or not . . . DEPENDS.

If your rose is growing on its own roots, the "sucker" will be the same rose. That's how we got about a half-dozen of our "Grandmother's Hat" plants.

If your rose is budded, OTOH, all you will get is rootstock -- which you PROBABLY don't want.
But one man's trash is another's treasure.
This "Ragged Robin" was very likely rootstock in a now vanished garden -- and I am very glad to have it in MY garden.

Yes mine are own root. What I have learned to do is leave them in the ground for a couple of moths or so then cut it from the rest of the plant and keep it moist until it forms roots. Also you can pot them up to form the roots but you cannot get them as soon as they come up, you have to leave them to mature some before separating. I learnt my lesson with that. Always learning more :)

Hey Brandon, concerning Marianne, I contacted Northland Rosarium as suggested in a different post and was told they are rooting some and I will be contacted this spring if they take. Why don’t you try emailing them as well. I regret not ordering Paul’s other roses from RVR when in stock but only one rose has been in stock at a time (select ones also) and it is so cost prohibitive to order just one.

Sheila,

please send me a e-mail re Orpheline dJ

locallamb @ g mail...just remove the extra spaces

cheerio

claire

I sure do miss the days when Vintage was open and doing mail order.

When Vintage closed, it was as traumatic for me as when Heronswood closed (I don't count the re-incarnated abomination) and we Iost one of the best sources for the rarest-of-the-rare trees, shrubs and perennials. But the economics of trying to keep such an esoteric listing of hundreds of rarities eventually runs up against reality. We're lucky Vintage ever existed at all.

Hi Fig,

I totally agree with you about how lucky we were to have had Vintage! And I miss them more as time goes by. Maybe someday, some other great old Rose nursery will appear.

As far as Heronswood, Dan Hinkley is again the garden director, and the garden is being brought back, it is owned by a Native American tribe now, but they do not have an mail order business at this time. Have you looked at Forest Farm’s catalog? or Far Reaches Farm, very good selection of interesting plants.

cheers

claire

Claire, I've ordered from Forest Farm many times, but I've only drooled over Far Reaches so far, though I do get their emails. And their website is almost as funny as Plant Delights, lol.

Dan Hinkley is a genius, and I do keep up with him as best I can. He also writes for Horticulture magazine. He's brought some great plants to Monrovia (The Dan Hinkley Plant Collection®, duh!), though most of them are too tender for my zone. But the loss of Vintage was a true tragedy. I doubt the like will ever be seen again unless a rose fanatic wins the lottery, lol.

I still like Forest Farm but it is a mere shadow of its former self, especially in variety offered. The old plant lists were absolutely mind boggling in the number of species and cultivars offered. Also I think that the the plants sent are not quite as robust as they were when Ray and Peg owned it.

Cath

I still have all my old FF and Heronswood catalogs. They were BOOKS. And founts of info I still use as references. I'm still kicking myself that I never got hold of one of Vintage's catalogs. I want, want, want one! lol.

Sorry for hijacking your thread, Brandon. Your questions just brought up too many memories of the "good old days".

We now return you to your previously scheduled broadcast...

I heard amazon has the Vintage Gardens catalogs fig. I use mine a lot. I miss Vintage too. Those guys were amazing. I still wish Christopher would win the lottery and move West to take over RVRs.

I just looked and don't see my FF or Heronswood catalogs either. I may have misplaced them in my move. I remember where they were in my former home. I threw away my ROYAT catalogs when I heard all their plants spread RMV everywhere, but now I regret it.

When I take suckers, I let them grow for a few months, then I dig them up with some roots and replant or pot them. After that I water them and watch them like a cutting or small band

My most fervent wish would be to be able to order tea roses that are only available in Europe, at John Hook's nursery in France for instance. Not that I have the room, but the novelty of being able to grow roses that I've never seen before would be tremendous. I understand that nursery will be closing but at any rate obtaining roses from there is just a wistful dream.

Please don't rely on HMF as the only site listing sources of roses. Years ago, there simply were not enough volunteers to keep up with nursery inventories. The webmaster made it very easy for nurseries to maintain their own inventories on the site. Very few of the nurseries have bothered to keep their inventories up-to-date. HMF still does not have enough volunteers to do that kind of maintenance.

I haven't a clue as to what the best answer would be for site users. Maybe encouraging the nurseries to update their inventories would help.

Just a thought.

I will second the fact that HMF isn't very accurate as far as nurseries go. (I'm not complaining at all because it's such a wonderful resource. I always assumed that the nurseries were supposed to keep their listings accurate and that seemed like it wouldn't be a high priority for the nurseries. I know my own HMF list is several years out of date.)

Brandon, are you aware of Burlington Rose Nursery? She mostly has roses for warmer climates but the shipping should be OK for you.

Alana, wait until you see the range of colors you might get on Rush (below). Also, Orpheline will definitely send out more suckers!

Love it! I Can't wait for Spring!

I can't trust hmf for zone info. I see rose descriptions sometimes that say zone 7 for example a rose Dingo has no problem with in Chicago. That's a pretty big temp difference. I've probably skipped a bunch I could've had, because they were listed zone 7.

Thank you, Alana, how kind! I might put the RVRs bands in pots at first until I see what they are. I hope they'll bloom in a pot once.

Mine did Sheila!

I think HMF's information is based to a considerable extent on member input. I've had them update size estimates on roses that grew bigger in my garden than what the HMF entry said, when I contacted them. It might be a good idea to write with your additional information. Also, some information is default, where they don't have input.

Yes, I agree completely. There are oddities, parents, or sports I come across in rose readings and wish these were more widely available. A ray of hope, though -- there are treasures tucked away and people dedicated to sharing them. Nurseries are slowly absorbing new things. The future might have limited availability in nurseries and more pass-along plants. It'll be interesting to see.

Justin

Karen and Jackie, thank you for explaining about suckers. I was clueless. Jackie thank you so much for explaining in detail. Now, I know, maybe I should experiment it. Wish me luck.

Sorry for slow response. Been sick lately.

Lisa, I have not forgotten you. I will keep in touch with you. Just my days off was mostly in bed with fever. But I will contact you.

Jin

That is BEAUTIFUL! Is it this "Rush"(found Gallica)? https://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.62637.1

Yes, it's the found Rush Family Rose obtained from Rogue. More than one person has suggested that it might really be Duc d'angouleme.

It doesn't always have such an extreme range of dark to light tones.

Jeri, I've grown both a 'Rosette Delizy' and a Lady Hillingdon from suckers from two massive tree sized Tea rosebushes, both sucker grown plants are now nearly 5 feet tall. I waited until the rains started in late autumn and until both suckers were 14" to 16 inches tall so they would have well established roots. I was careful to dig far under each sucker to get every single root. They took off far more quickly than Tea rosebushes propagated by cuttings, have in my garden. Tea suckers are less common, than roses of other classes, such as Gallicas, but I do see Tea rose suckers occasionally growing beside massive Tea rosebushes. The one I took from Rosette Delizy came from a plant that had only two massive trunk like basal canes each was well over a foot thick. and the thinsucker grew out about a foot from one of those "trunks".

Lux

Does anyone know around what time RVR usually starts contacting people on the waiting list? I think my email address must get flagged as spam, because it's rare that anyone ever responds to an email from me. I'm afraid I'll miss the email because I get pages of garbage, and I'm going to drive myself crazy. Do they email you to verify you were added to the list? If so, I didn't get anything.

Do you have an account at RVRs witchy? Go into your account and you'll see the wish list and be able to tell if you have roses on the wish list. I remember getting emails when one on the list came up, but not sure what time of day.

Thank you Sheila! :-) Apparently I don't think I was on the waiting list at all. I made an account and added it. I used the same email to register, but it didn't show anything under submissions until I added it again.

http://www.combinedroselist.com/combined-rose-list.html

March = 2018 CRL

It is a mystery to me why the CRL still isn’t available as a downloadable electronic document. *shrug*

not suggesting the CRL isn’t an amazing resource - it is - but it would be nice to be able to buy it as a download, and make it searchable. Wouldn’t that be nice?

romogen - thank you so much for posting the link to the Combined Rose List info! It is a fabulous resource for anyone who is looking for a rose. I am ordering the 2018 one right now. Nothing is perfect, but having a list of every rose offered in commerce anywhere in the world is amazing, and I am so grateful that they have been keeping this up for so many years.

Jackie

Most of you already know this, but Greenmantle Nursery offers several rare roses. Also, they are just such a pleasure to talk to on the phone. I highly recommend calling if there’s something you’re interested in. If they are out of stock, they will get it rooted for you although it may take some time. I have an order placed for Kaiserin Friedrich, which will hopefully be ready next year.

http://www.greenmantlenursery.com/roses2008/index2008r.htm

They’re closer to you Brandon, in CA opposed to FL, so shipping may be better?

My first CRL is from 1983 when Bev Dobson (bless her! What a lovely lady she was!) produced it from INDEX CARDS. CRL, with Modern Roses 8, started my obsession collecting and resulted in the Newhall Garden. It was due to CRL I found Dr. E.M. Mills in Sweden, which led to it being brought to Bierkreek and eventually back to the US. Without CRL, I would never have been able to find and collect the Coffee Roses, striped moderns, all of the micro minis and every other type which populated that garden. Thanks to Peter Schneider who has continued Bev's work. If you want to collect roses, CRL is THE resource. I have long wished it was possible to combine it with HMF.

Kind of off topic, but I am hoping that Paul will see this and let me know what time works for me to take up his offer to dig the suckers.