I would be upset about that too. I don't believe it should be paid for unless its being shipped soon or when you choose in the spring . What if you find it somewhere else?

I was wanting to order monet from them as they are the only people in the us that have it . Hope that goes well . I hope you love your rose when you do get it

I just think it is a polite thing to keep people apprised of what is happening . If it doesn't work out, that I umderstand. Just tell me.

Kristine,

Poor communication/business practices as you described often lead to a company, sooner or later, going out of business. You can mishandle customers only so long until you end up with your last customer, and if a dissatisfied one to boot, its all over.

Only companies like For Love Of Roses, with its rose, Code of Honor, who have the market cornered with a product no one else has, will survive, at least for a while.

I was taught while a person has their finger in your eye, you move very carefully. When that finger is out of your eye, then you do as you please.

Kristine, since you have been informed that Code of Honor will be available in the fall of 2018, there's not much else you can do but wait it out until then. I would inquire of them now if 'available next fall,' means available specifically to you!

For The Love Of Roses, from what I can figure, had one of the following happen:

crop failure,

or crop shortfall of numbers produced to fill the demand.....so first come, first served was employed......or special customers were 'cherry picked,' to receive the rose this year....an unpleasant thought, but....that's life.

I'm sorry for you having such an ordeal.

Marion

Kristine,

I just looked up the roses bred by David Bang, the breeder of Code of Honor. He appears to have produced some beauties, lots of striped roses.

Have you studied up these extraordinary looking roses:

Black Cherry Ice Cream (HT, CL)

Connie Homecoming Queen (Mini)

Flash in the Night (HT)

I wish I knew more about David Bang's, roses. Hardiness? Disease issues? Vigor? Flower power: durability, fragrance, etc.?

I suspect they are typical hybrid teas with disease and winter hardiness issues.....not saying I don't grow these kind of touchy HT's myself, just expressing my thoughts here.

Moses

Bayarea Girl,

That is a beauty! The color combination of a deep red with light pink or white stripes does not appeal to me as much as the coloring of your A Night of Magic. I like stripes in colors closer in value, yet distinct enough, to the darkest color.

Moses

Actually it needs something as in the first photo its leaves appear chlorotic.

Embothrium, agree. I have high pH alkaline soil and having no rain for a long time made the problem worse. It's on my to-do list to improve the soil with more organic matter :) Helen

Add some iron to your soil while you add organic matter. I have high pH alkaline soil, too. I like the Hi Yield product with iron and sulfur, plus trace elements. Diane

I just looked again at your photos, bayarea, and your rose chlorosis is pretty darn mild. When you've got pale yellow leaves, even a few white ones, then that's bad chlorosis. Diane

I absolutely love Dave Bang Roses. I think Beth has Code of Honor but got it straight from Dave Bang. For Love of Roses has a few to release next year.

Be careful.

Why do you mean Ken ?

They do eventually come through. I was the sixth person to order Alakazam from For Love of Roses in December 2015. I received it just last month, almost two years later! They were thinking of not releasing it at all, because it was difficult to propagate. I begged them not to give up, because I really wanted the rose. When I ordered, the plant was in stock, but my plant became an additional mother plant in an effort to fulfill orders. I called regularly for updates and after a while they recognized my voice and later, my number. To me it was worth the wait for a very special rose. I had no trouble at all getting other orders from them. Some roses are just more difficult. It may take patience and several reminders, but Richard is an honorable guy. He had serious health challenges a while ago and may need some time to catch up. Good luck, Kristine. Hang in there.

Thank you Jasmine. I know patience is a virtue, especially when trying to release a new rose

Code of Honor will be worth the wait.

They're supposed to be intro'ing a lot of Dave's roses. I can't wait to see what all they actually end up offering. I believe Richard said he even has VAMPIRE and VAMPIRE'S RETURN. (which I got from Dave)

Ya know, I've been waiting over 3 yrs for two roses on "backorder" from Rogue Valley Roses. I don't even think I will ever get them. I emailed them a couple of yrs ago to make sure I was still on the list to get them, as I even had paid for the roses. (They were showing "in stock" when I initially ordered them.) They assured me I would still get them. Haven't heard a word since then, and neither rose has ever come up in stock again. I actually got one of them from Palatine this fall.. PAPI DELBARD. The other rose I'm waiting on and will likely never get my hands on is VICTORIANA. I'm afraid it's probably extremely difficult to propagate own-root. I had one from Vintage Gardens many yrs ago, but it died. I should email them again to see what's going on. I'm afraid they're going to tell me they have no record of me paying for them now tho... maybe not tho.

I just got a general email from them today and it reminded me that they still owe me 3 roses from late November, 2016. One I paid for, 2 free ones. They were being held til they got bigger. I am going to write them about it. Certainly will not be ordering any more until this is attended to. I would have to want a rose really badly to have to beg to get an order I paid for. Don't advertise a product if you cant deliver on it.

Judith

Of course I had to look up a rose named Vampire... Of course I like it. It looks black and red. I'm not the biggest fan of red, but I wouldn't mind that one.

Of course you did Witchy. Isn't it awesome. I love Dave Bangs neat colors. He has some beauties.

Alameda, I better go back and see if I already paid. Richard said it was going to be more expensive. I waa so excited to get that rose that I didn't even ask.

I am old so waiting 2 years for me is a long time that I could be enjoying something else.

Now, even though I am a tad irritated, the roses that I have gotten from them have been great.

It definitely helps to enjoy other roses while you are waiting for that one special one.

From the photo, Code of Honor looks a lot like Scentimental, Rock & Roll and Neil Diamond. I have a friend who grows all three of those roses. Of the three, Rock & Roll is my favorite.

Kristine, on For Love of Roses Facebook page today, there is a photo of a David Bang red and white striped rose that they say needs a name. The photo is identical to this one of Code of Honor! Are they rethinking the name?

Thank you Jasmine, I thought the same exact thing. I wonder what's up. I thought I was losing it. Well, I probably still am, but not about that.

I would go insane waiting on some if these hard to get roses. I'm going to stick to the easy to get kind. It's killing me waiting till spring, I can't imagine waiting all that time to be told wait another year!

One thing I will never do. Pay for a rose before I can get my hands on it. To many struggling nurseries have suddenly shut the doors in mid stream. I've been took a long time ago. But like you also said, what I have received from them has been good stuff.

I finally have a day off tomorrow so I will see if that one got paid for. It will take a bit of searching

Does anyone have an order in with this company? I had one coming last fall, Richard always had some excuse - eye surgery, or just didnt respond. I wrote today asking when I could expect my order - he said he wasnt shipping due to covid virus. I responded that I had been getting plant orders all spring, shipping plants wasnt a problem, other companies did it, he had to mail his bills, etc. He responded that he wasnt going to risk his life to mail. Has anyone else had problems getting their order? I have had 2 previous orders, they were extremely slow. I have paid for the plants and am going to stay after him until I get them. I never saw a company do business like this. Ridiculous and exasperating!

Alameda, the word is that For love of roses has gone under and no longer sending out roses. I am so sorry that you have pre paid and will probably be out your money. I can't believe that he answered the phone . If I had ripped someone off I wouldn't be answering the phone

This is unbelievable. I feel for you Alameda. What did you have on order.

I ordered Sandusky, Show Stopper and Eternity. Thankfully only 3, but still came to just under $100. I just wonder how many other people have orders waiting with him.? Everyone else is mailing........why cant he? Just another excuse. I have my credit card bill where I made payment and I asked for a refund - silence. If he is in bankruptcy I can see why!

I should find the post where someone wrote about it. I think it might have been Christine actually.

The first word that I heard was from
either Ingrid or jerijen and then Beth and then Paul Zimmerman

They may not be open right now but I would lodge a complaint with the Better Business Bureau.

I would let Richard know that you want that money back immediately or you will have him charged with fraud.

My thoughts exactly. He got right back to me after I requested shipping but have not heard from him when I wanted a refund. I do intend to pursue this - I would really rather have the roses, but am going to explore my options - since the amount is about $73 - not sure what options I would have other than BBB but am not going to let this go. There was a Michael's Roses in California [I think] years ago who operated like this - he went out of business. 99% of plant vendors that I have dealt with are honest. I dont know what is with this man - he has had 6 months to mail the roses. No excuse for this. Hope others who read this are warned.

Wow im glad i never had this experience how terrible praying on rose folks

I started this thread 2 years ago and there problems back then.

Very poor business practices.

I will be getting my Dave Bang roses from K&M. They should be available this fall.

I hate to loose a rose vendor that had such a specific class of beautiful roses. I'm sure that it was overwhelming at times but I think some honestly would have gone a long way toward understanding.

Plus, collecting money before shipping is no good.

Hold on now, I was part of the previous thread. I just searched for it and couldn’t find it — thanks, Houzz. I posted the emails between Richard and I in which he denied that he was out of business, but that he wasn’t shipping due to COVID-19.

I have an order in with him, but I’m not expecting it until late June.

I have received some magnificent roses from FLOR, and I would hate to write them off.

At any rate, he does seem to be in business. Or thinks he is.

If there were another source for scads and scads of drool-worthy minifloras, I’d like to see it.

Just my experience ..

Sylvia

I dont mind [too much] waiting - I just want to be assured I get the roses I paid for in October and was promised shipment then, that never happened. I waited on another order from 2016 and got it last spring, after contacting him and getting excuses. Other companies ship. Why cant he? If he made more of an effort to make customers feel like they have not been forgotten or possibly cheated, it would be better. If he had said - I will start shipping in June, it would have made me feel like he actually had plans to do it. He does have wonderful roses - if he would just ship them. Hopefully he means well - I would really like the roses I ordered.