December 2017, Week 1, General Garden Talk/Discussion
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Comments (102)I laughed so hard about you canning outdoors on the propane burners, Amy. Had to read that one to GDW. We both got a good laugh. Thank you! :) GDW says, "And the bottom line is, 'I DON"T WANT TO!;" I must say, the first two were enough to convince me I wouldn't be doing that. Maybe my mode of gardening is work really hard one day, do nothing the next, as I am exhausted tonight. I will be in bed by 12:30, which is a reasonable time for me. Up early for church. . . then into dirty jeans (I swear I could stand these jeans up at the end of every day and they'd stand on their own, and still, I insist on wearing them at LEAST two days of heavy yard work and sometimes 3). I feel like a bit of a degenerate cooking dinner in my filthy jeans and T shirts, but I do, honest, wash my face and hands and arms first. Just call me Pigpen. When GDW and I first reconnected 3 yrs ago in August, I looked just like this, as I was slaving all week in jeans moving my Mom into assisted living in Buffalo Wy. But the next time he saw me a month later, he visited me at my "contemporary" condo in Mpls, and I was in dress uniform, hair fixed, a minor bit of make-up, semi-dressy slacks and tops, nails done.. He must have been scared to death wondering who in the heck I was. My condo (that I had just moved into 4 months earlier) was a very cool contemporary eclectic mix, with off-white carpeting, and wall-to-wall and floor-to-ceiling paintings (of mine) ranging from small to large, mostly abstract. His jaw dropped, and I laughed pretty hard. . . I think at first he was pretty sure he'd made a terrible mistake. . . that I wasn't who he thought I was or who he remembered. (But I knew he was wrong, and have since proven it. LOL) Ahh. But I DID bring my wonderful bamboo floor lamp and Oriental writing desk and very cool custom couch (that I bought on Craigs list for $200) and wonderful large framed print sumi ink black stallion for my new home here, AND ALL my quilting fabric (which was one round trip for him before I moved, hauling back many boxes of fabric in the truck) AND all the painting supplies and classical music CDs! And the severely pruned collection of books. And now I'm Pigpen, and am quite comfortable and happy, happy as a pig rolling in mud. And he is mightily relieved, as you can imagine. I don't cost him much. No nails done, no expensive hair appointments, no clothes, prefer home cooking (and he prefers my home cooking). Work like a son-of-a-gun in the yard, don't ask him for help but if he offers I accept. I'm a cheap date and good bargain. And I'm even "kind of religious," to boot. He told me a couple months into our reunion, in the interest of full disclosure, "Umm, I have to tell you I'm kind of religious." I laughed, surprised and delighted, and said, "Ha! Well, I'll tell ya, I'm kinda religious, too." So now a friend just dumped 3 bags of sand plums on me at church this morning. And I've got to deal with those on Tuesday. Need to go to town to get some small jars. AGGHH. I really have no idea how you all do all the stuff you do! I love growing the stuff. But canning? OMG. Freezing, no prob. (I see a new freezer in our near future.) Onions, potatoes, good to go. Tomatoes, peppers, no problem. I can do those. Sauerkraut. . . okay. Pickles........... now sand plums, and GDW has visions of apple butter and pear stuff. The lady who brought me the sand plums has a bachelor/widowed? neighbor who is a jam and jelly, pickle-canning freak, and has all these wonderful exotic specialties. I told GDW tonight that he could do that; after all, he concocts the hummingbird nectar with great precision every 3-4 days. Know what? He didn't tell me I was crazy. He said well maybe he could do that if he didn't get the stuff cloudy.. . . .. . oh my gosh......... Gotta get the tomatoes staked up better tomorrow, finish clearing and enlarging this enormous southeast "bee balm/cleome/daisy/coreopsis" back bed, relocating many flowers and herbs that heretofore were IDKs or inappropriate for their locations, and do the laundry. . . and if time, to mulch mulch mulch. GDW is on a rock border mission. He confessed to me today that where our utility easement "alley" is, he'd long thought of digging up rocks there so he could mow it instead of tediously weed whip it. But it's hard work. . . . to state it mildly; and he didn't know what he'd do with any reasonably sized rocks he might run into, so he never did anything about it. But now he realized he could make rock borders around all my beds, so that's what he's tackling--and I'm here to tell you all it's a heroic mission. And I'm astonished at the difference it makes with the beds. It makes them look "finished," like they actually are a plan (which they never were!). I spent 5 hours today with my best loved new tool for decimating Bermuda grass, the hori-hori (tedious, yes, but ever so effective). digging it out of an area about 8x10 feet. Meanwhile, GDW had uncovered at least a dozen 20-60 lb rocks from his utility easement alley. And so it goes with our chores. I do all the little doo-dad stuff, while he's out performing miracles. I do laundry and vacuum, and meanwhile he has put in new shocks on the truck. It doesn't seem fair that I do all this little insignificant stuff (which to me is nothing) while he's performing miracles, but it's working out so NICE. Well I've rattled on far too long. . . and how little of it had to do with gardening. I was so overwhelmed with all the "little" things I have to do out in the gardens tonight that I told him just to take all the rocks away, plow it under and let it go to the weed lawn again. And we both laughed, knowing that's not gonna happen. Kim. . . thinking of you. . . my pioneer woman. BTW, found your friend on the internet, who does the pepper seeders. . . wonderful reading about her. Would love to get a couple pepper seeders and your sachets when you get them ready....See MoreWeek 4, June 2017, General Garden Talk
Comments (93)Amy, Our dogs do adapt to Tim's shifts which is great on the days he's working, but on the days he is off, they start whining and making noise because they want to go out at 5 a.m. whether he is awake and getting up or not, so guess who gets up and let them out? They wake me up, so I let them out, naturally. A tornado hitting our house wouldn't wake up Tim, so he sleeps through it all. The sleepyhead dogs also go to sleep early like Tim does, so at 9 pm last night they were all confused that I wasn't turning off lights and putting everyone to bed. I think we were up until about midnight, and the dogs were getting grumpier and grumpier but wouldn't go to sleep until we did. Tim was gone most of that time, either working at the EOC or running on fire calls, and you'd think the dogs would clue in....they hear the fire truck sirens going down the road and howl right along with them. I wonder if they know those sirens are affiliated with Tim's absence from our home? Turnips will store from 4-5 days to maybe 2 weeks in the fridge depending on how wet or dry they were when harvested. I remove the greens, clean and dry the turnips, wrap them in paper towels to absorb excess moisture and put them in ziplock bags. For longer term storage, you can store them in sand or sawdust in a cool, dry location like a cellar (good luck finding a place that stays cool enough in summer, but it is possible with a fall harvest). I am not sure why yours molded. Perhaps the really rainy spring just made their moisture content too high, and there's nothing you can do about that. In some parts of the country, folks leave them in the beds over the winter, harvesting as needed, but you have to cut off the foliage and it helps to turn each turnip a half-twist in the ground to make the roots stop trying to continue growth. I don't know if it would work here since we don't get all that cold in winter any more. I do believe the plant you identified as tansy is tansy. My regular tansy started blooming a couple of weeks ago, but the silver tansy hasn't bloomed yet. Nancy, I agree that Willie is in a class of his own. He won't live forever and it will be such a sad day when he departs from this earth. I like even his oldest stuff better than what passes for modern day country music (so much of which seems more like pop to me). I guess it hardly matters because I hardly listen to to the current country music. I love old, classic country....including Waylon, Willie and the Boys...and Johnny Cash....the Highwaymen...George Jones....Don Williams....George Strait (he's still alive!), and the women....Loretta Lynn...Tammy Wynette....the incomparable Dolly Parton....Kitty Wells....Reba....Emmylou Harris....Patsy Cline. And, of course, having grown up in Texas, I love western swing and know that Bob Wills is still the king! Practically everyone I used to listen to is either dead or well on their way, and that is sad. Poor Kaida. Well, at least they know what it is and solutions for it. I hope she feels better quickly. It seems like the kids have such a short summer any more, and I hate that she's feeling to crappy to really enjoy it. Stores here have had 'back to college' and 'back to school' crap for weeks now...and I keep saying to myself that summer just began....why ruin it for the kids and parents by pushing back to school in June???? I suppose the retail world will start putting Christmas stuff on the shelves on July 5th. (Actually, Hobby Lobby started putting out Xmas stuff 3 or 4 weeks ago and I was not even ready to see that yet.) Before our trees got so tall we could see three or four distant fireworks shows without leaving our property, although we often would go up the road a little bit to a friend's place on higher ground than ours for an even better view. We could see the fireworks from Lake Murray in Carter County, from the Falconhead area in western Love County, and from the WinStar Casino east of Thackerville. Then sometimes we could see more distant fireworks shows from other places in Texas. Now that the trees are so tall all around the house and yard, I don't think we can see any of them.....and I don't much care. Been there, done that, blah, blah, blah. Usually on July 4th itself, Tim is at work and I am in the kitchen canning. He's off this year so I probably won't be in the kitchen canning, but I'm hoping for a quiet day/evening at home with no actual fires. I don't think we've had enough rain to keep fields from catching on fire when folks set off their own fireworks so my wishes for a quiet day and evening might not come true. Our first couple of years of living here, we'd go up to Lake Murray and spend the day at the lake and attempt to stay to watch the fireworks and that was a really long, hot day and we came home with Chris and his cousins asleep in the car and us adults all worn out. It was fun, but I don't miss doing that now. The older I get, the happier I am to just be at home at what Tim jokingly calls "The Compound". There's more than enough to keep me busy here all the time, and other than the weekly shopping and errands, if there's anything I want to buy (other than plants), I can just order it online and have it delivered. I think I could have lived 100 or 150 years ago and been a pioneer and would have been perfectly happy---except for the snakes. My grandmother was born in 1898....and I think that would have been a fascinating era in which to live, though life certainly was much harder back then. When we first moved here, I met a neighbor who came here in a covered wagon before statehood. I remember being both horrified and fascinated when he mentioned that his uncle made them a dugout home in the bank of the Red River. Maybe that would have been a tiny bit too rustic for me. We stayed cloudy and cool until mid-afternoon and it was so pleasant, and then the sun came out and ruined everything. At least one half or almost 2/3s of July 1st had really pleasant weather. Dawn...See MoreJully 2017 Week 1, General Garden and Harvest Talk
Comments (120)Rebecca, There are all kinds of options. For example, you know those pop-up canopies you can buy for camping trips or tailgating or whatever? They have a metal frame and then you put the canvas top over it and tie it to the frame? I think it would be easy to take the frame of one of those and attach one-inch chicken wire to it. You could use zip-ties (which evetually will break from the UV exposure weakening them) to attach the chicken wire, jut taking care to attach it every few inches so the squirrels couldn't find a gap to squeeze through. The only construction involved would be to use wood framing to build in a door so you could easily enter and exit the cage. I use one of these frames as a trellis in the back garden with woven wire fencing attached to it so that cucumbers and vining squash can climb it. I merely left an opening with no fencing for a door so I can harvest from inside or outside of it since mine wasn't meant to exclude any varmints. I'm talking about canopies like this: Pop-Up Canopy If I were doing this, I'd put pressure-treated lumber around the bottom to attach the chicken wire to so that the squirrels couldn't squeeze underneath the chicken wire there. The canopy frame I use in the backyard is a 10' x 10' but they come in different sizes. Or, for a larger tomato-growing area, you could use the framing from one of those portable garages. The frame is about the same as for the canopies, but bigger and (I assume) likely is sturdier. Here's an example of a portable garage: Portable Garage I know I've seen this for lower prices at times than the one I linked---I just wanted to find a quick example. If you want a geodesic dome style, there's kits you can buy to do the framing. Often you can buy the hubs used to connect the PVC pipe online or buy starplates or something similar and then just have your handyman buy and deliver the PVC pipe or wood locally and built the frame. Strombergs sells the starplates and people use them to construct wood framing that then can be turned into the structure of their choice---everything from solid wood chicken coops to chicken wire-covered chicken runs or plastic-covered greenhouses. The starplates are meant for wood-framing, but there's similar hubs available meant for use with PVC or pipe framing. Starplate Building System One of the easiest ways to build a simple greenhouse involves building a high tunnel you can walk into using PVC framing or even cattle panel framing built into a hoop house/high tunnel shape. To make a fruit cage (more accurately, a tomato cage structure) you'd just use chicken wire for the covering instead of greenhouse plastic. You can do this! Or, you can get a handyman to do this and then you'd have a way to keep the squirrels off your plants. Kim, Oh, I play that sort of hide and seek with the snakes. With three people bitten by copperheads in my county last week, I've officially given up weeding for the rest of snake season. It just isn't worth it. Timeout sounds nice. I am giving myself timeout indoors on every hot day....so probably most of every day from now through the end of August. For the rest of July and August, all I will do is water and harvest. At some point, I'll pull out the excessive number of tomato plants (which are well-mulched and almost weed-free) that have been in the ground since March (whenever disease and spider mites hit a certain point, I'll take out those plants) and put fall crops in those beds. My two early tomato beds remain in production so far, and the interim bed of 10 tomato plants at the other end of the garden (planted at the end of April and meant to provide us with fresh tomatoes in between the time I yank out the 4 rows planted in March and the time the fall tomatoes begin producing) already has fruit breaking color. I should yank out those older, tired and increasingly sickly plants this week but that would require working outdoors in the heat for more hours per day than I intend to spend outdoors so I might not do it this week. I wish I could do it at night, but that's when the snakes are the worst. You know that it is too hot and I am too tired of dealing with it when I am contemplating pulling plants out of the ground just to give myself a break from having to deal with them. It is scary enough harvesting southern peas while just hoping no snakes lie beneath the plants, which are planted close enough together to shade the ground....eliminating weeds by shading them out but also providing dense shade that the snakes like. There's no way I am weeding anything at this point, and sometimes harvesting feels sort of iffy in terms of safety. All my muskmelons and crane melons are trellised, and so are about 80% of my icebox watermelons, so I can harvest those off their trellises easily enough without being too worried about snakes. Usually the only snakes that climb the trellises and hang out on the plant foliage are the rought green tree snakes and I don't mind them. Sometimes they startle me when I don't see them before almost accidentally touching one while harvesting pole beans or lima beans, but the green snakes themselves are very shy and not aggressive and all I have to do is take a couple of steps back and they quickly disappear, generally racing across the garden, through the fence and into the woodland beyond. Nancy, Sorry about the snake scare. I don't like having them in any building. Snakes are free to roam about 12 or 13 of our 14.4 acres as they wish, but they had better stay out of the house, garage, greenhouse, shed and garden. Even in the yard, if they will leave, we won't even shoot the venomous ones....but if they are determined to stay there where we and the animals are inhabiting the same space and they won't turn and flee, they get shot. We haven't shot a non-venomous snake this year, but if we had chicken or rat snakes getting into the coops and eating eggs or chicks, we'd shoot them if we caught them in there. I can tell when snakes are in the garden even if I am not seeing them because all the frogs, toads, lizards, etc. disappear and that aggravates me a great deal because those creatures help out a great deal with garden pest control. Cherokee Carbon is a hybrid cross of Cherokee Purple x Carbon, so if you save seeds from the fruit produced by these F-1 plants, you will have the F-2 generation. That means that you have no idea what sort of plant or fruit you will get. Generally in the F-2 generation, you will get a variety of results--and some of them might produce fruit that strongly resemble the original Cherokee Carbon and some of them might not...and it is possible that none of them will produce the sort of fruit you want. ("Life is like a box of chocolates....."). What you get has to do with the way the genes resort themselves within the hybrid plant's offspring. Some people have successfully dehybridized a hybrid through multiple generations and eventually (often only after many generations of plants) ended up with a fruit that resembled the original fruit from which they saved the seed, but it is not easy to do. I have bought seed of supposedly stablized dehybridized versions of hybrids in the past and found that the plants and fruit I got were nowhere near the quality of the original hybrid plant/fruit, so after trying that for a couple of years, I went back to just buying the hybrid seed. I don't have garden space/time to waste on saving seed from hybrids and replanting it only to be disappointed in whatever fruit the plants produce. YMMV. I'm sorry to hear about your mom. It surely does sound like somebody dropped the ball in terms of notifying the family. I hope she makes a quick recovery and I wish she would come visit you while the yard and garden are so beautiful so she can see what you and Garry have done. Amy, The thought did cross my mind that returning the stockings did sound like a human activity. The thought that a person might be entering Rebecca's yard and stealing her tomatoes seems 1000 times worse than knowing squirrels are doing it. If they are watching how hard she is working to protect her fruit and returning the stockings, that seems vaguely stalkerish and disturbing. I had a lot of trouble with a mentally ill person who lived up the road from us (he passed away sometime within the last year, I guess) coming onto our property while I was in the garden (and other people had different sorts of problems with him), so I started locking the driveway gate all the time, whether we are home or not, and that stopped that. I don't have locks on the garden gates but could and would add locks if I thought someone was sneaking into the garden and stealing stuff. (People here know I will share produce with them if they want some, so why steal?) Jay, I'm sorry the rainfall is missing y'all. The 3+" we have received in July saved my garden from certain death (or at least postponed certain death for a while), but we remain in Moderate Drought and conditions are unlikely to improve during the summer months. I hope we don't go the rest of the month with no rain since that 3+" is more than our average July rainfall. I have little expectation of getting more rain any time soon. Despite the recent rainfall, our portion of our county has the highest year-to-date rainfall deficit in the state and that is so discouraging. I do think the OKC area in general is worse off than us though, because their rainfall for the last couple of months is much more severe than ours.....and the rainfall they got in March or April isn't helping them at all now. How much can I complain about drought? Well a lot, I guess, but it does no good. We spend most of each summer in drought so I should be used to it, but I just hate seeing all the green turn brown and production drop.....etc. I think the heat wouldn't be so bad if it would just rain every now and then. Well, dry heat doesn't feel as bad as humid heat so the benefit of rain is a two-edged sword. Dawn...See MoreJuy 2017 Week 2, General Garden and Harvest Talk
Comments (129)Amy, You are a saint. I hope all the fun the kids had makes up for all the pain and tiredness you had to endure, and I hope you're catching up on your rest. Being too tired to sleep is the worst thing on earth and I get that way a lot during planting season. My dad, having Alzheimer's, hit the acceptance stage early, probably when he was in his early to mid 70s (he lived to be 85). He knew what the AD would do to him as it progressed because it ran through his family like wildfire (one reason we kids are so glad we were adopted and didn't have his family's genetics) and, since he was one of the youngest of 9 kids, he'd witnessed it killing many of his older brothers and sisters. While he was very early in his Alzheimer's Disease, he and my mom did all the right things with DNRs, medical power of attorney given to my oldest sibling with me as the backup if anything happened to him, making their wishes very clear and in writing, etc. I don't think my mom reached acceptance until the last couple of years of her life, and my dad has been gone since 2004. When Daddy was put into hospice care in the last week of his life, then my mom freaked out and wanted to rescind his DNR and medical power of attorney (thankfully she could not reverse his earlier decisions that way because he had suffered long enough). So, from watching her I think I have learned the importance of accepting the inevitable and of knowing when to fight and when to let go. At least I hope I have. I'd never try to prolong the life of a loved one needlessly if they were terminally ill and the quality of their life was extremely poor---I think we do too much of that in this life as it is. I hold my grandmother in my heart, soul and mind as an example of a strong woman who did everything in her power to stay healthy and live a long life but who also was ready to go when the time came. Nancy, Our gardens teach us so much if only we listen to them. My garden has taught me that there's nothing on this earth that grows and invades as relentlessly as bermuda grass. lol. Digging it out and staying on top of it is all that has worked for me. I'm glad you're going 'home' to visit your mom even though I know it also is hard to be away from everything/everyone here for a prolonged period as well. Tim's mom had an atypical case of Lou Gherig's Disease that did not present with the typical symptons and which was, therefore, not diagosed during the three or so years that her health was in a steep decline. Tim's sister, who worked in a field related to the medical industry, was taking her mom to one specialist after another seeing answers, treament and a diagnosis and, quite honestly, wasn't getting anything helpful from them. At one point I remember telling Tim "I think it is Lou Gehrig's Disease" (we were driving someone and I was reading a newspaper article about someone else who had LGD with the same nontypical symptoms as his mom's) and none of them could see it like I could, so my amateur diagnosis was ignored. I think that was because they were so close to their own mother emotionally that they couldn't objectively consider that LGD might be what it was since she did not have the usual symptoms. So, anyhow, when a doctor finally diagnosed her and put her in the hospital, his sisters told him her time was going to be short and that he should fly up and spend time with her while he could. They were talking in terms of months, not days or weeks at that point. He immediately booked a flight for the following week and made arrangements to take time off from work. He was going to fly up on the following Wednesday. He even figured he'd try to go up there for a week here and there over the next few months. The doctors thought she'd last at least another few months but instead she died the night before Tim was scheduled to fly. It was heart-wrenching. He, of course, would have flow up immediately if anyone had said she might not last another week. For all that medical science knows and can do, we still just never know when somebody's time will come. Of all 4 of our parents, my mom was the one who didn't care about trying to be healthy---she didn't eat properly, didn't exercise, etc. My dad and Tim's parents all tried really hard to eat healthy, stay active, etc. So, I guess in one way it is ironic that she outlived them all by well over a decade, but she was a decade younger than them so that may have played a role in it as well. Dawn...See Moreluvncannin
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