Hmmmm.....I wonder if that could be one of the roses going around as Rose Edouard. I think it's also grown for making rose water and attar, especially where it's too tropical for Damasks. More pics would be helpful.

:-)

~Christopher

Yeap! Christopher has a point. An early bourbon lookalike, although mine has more damask-like leaves.

Speaking of which, how is yours doing? I remember the thread, but if you have recent pics, I'd love to see them.

:-)

~Christopher

It's growing tall and thin. It hasn't bloomed since spring. It is in partial shade I'm afraid. It suffers foliage wise in the high heat (maybe it's my hard irrigation water) but it is quite healthy otherwise.

Pompon de bougongne rose? I know I spelled it wrong but that's what the bloom looks like to me.

I'm leaning towards Christopher's guess of 'Rose Edouard', although there is also a similarity in bloom form to 'Pompon de Bourgogne'. The latter rose is only about 4cm across, so if it's a small bloom, that's likely it. 'PdB' does seem to have much paler inner petals, and maybe it's the lighting, but I don't see that with your rose.

I hope it is 'Rose Edouard' because I suspect it will like your climate. I guess I should say "one of the Rose Edouards", since there seem to be at least two roses going by that name...

If you can post a photo of buds, thorns and/or leaves, that may help with the ID.

Virginia

AquaEyes, I was thinking that it might be a Bourbon type rose, but I wasn't quite sure which one, considering there are so many of them! Thank you for your help!

nikthegreek, I was thinking the same, but I just wasn't sure exactly which type it was, seeing as there are so many type of Bourbon roses.

I am assuming that your summers are just as hot as Dubai's. What I do to protect my roses in the heat is I firstly cover them with a shade cloth. The way I water them is instead of watering deeply once a day, I give them small amounts of water throughout the day. I might water them a little bit every two hours. It sounds like I am wasting water with this method, but I actually end up using less. I'll also occasionally get in there with a mister and mist all of the leaves. Don't worry about them contracting any disease. None of my roses have due to me misting them. This takes a little more time and effort, but the results are amazing! Some of my roses will continue blooming even in 50 degree (Celsius) heat!

Alana8aSC I certainly hope that it isn't a Pompon de Bourgogne! Seeing that it looms only once, my assumption would be that it has chill requirements, which we do not have.

Hi khatrisidhant,

Our summers are hot and many blooms do fry and some canes do get sunburn but they are nowhere as hot as in Dubai. In the rare cases where temps reach 40C or more, we suffer here. I don't know if I could live in a place as hot as Dubai even with energy being so cheap..

Why don't you list any named roses you have which do well in your high heat. If they do well in Dubai, they should do well also in a med climate (at least with regards to heat).

vmr423, here are a few more pictures of the plant.

Don't worry about the spots on the leaves. I misted the plant's leaves with fertilizer just a few days ago, and my "concoction" contains humic acid, which leaves behind a black residue.

nikthegreek, the roses which do best here are actually a type of rose commonly grown around the Indian sub-continent. I don't know the exact name of the roses, but my guess would be that they are a subspecies of Rosa indica, or they are some type of Bourbon rose. This is the best image I could find of them. They are generally just labelled "Pakistani rose". These are the ones which continue flowering throughout summer, although the colour is much lighter, almost white with a very pale pink tinge, and the blooms don't have as many petals in summer. They are also extremely fragrant, but lose their fragrance in the summer heat.

Most of my other roses are various hybrid tea roses, all of which lose their leaves in summer and then regrow them when it gets cooler around September.

It is quite difficult gardening in this climate! I purchased this olive tree, since they are one of the most drought-tolerant plants, hoping I would get lots of olives and I would be able to press my own olive oil. I purchased a grafted, mature tree, hoping that it would fruit sooner. I even bought an olive oil press! Then it turns out, it doesn't get cold enough here in winter to allow the tree to flower, so now I have a very pretty, but very useless olive tree in my garden. Thankfully, I can grow most tropical plants, like gardenias, hibiscus, coffee and mangoes, but I need to protect them all with a shade cloth in summer, however, citrus do amazingly well here, and I don't need to protect them! Over here, the temperature in July and August is always in the mid to late 40s, even at night, believe it or not. It regularly gets into the early 50s during the daytime. Right now, the daytime temperature is in the 30s, and this is cold for us!

Sheila, that is a beautiful rose! It looks almost like a tree peony!

I wasn't able to read your post clearly, eyes are going bad and was on a cell phone..if you just perchased the rose a few days ago it cannot possibly be PDB. It only blooms in the spring. I would think Christopher's guess is correct with it being a bourbon , I hope you enjoy whatever it is!

Looking at the buds and foliage, and because you describe your rose as quite fragrant, I'm guessing 'Gruss an Teplitz' may be your rose. It seems to be widely grown in hot Asian climates because of its heat tolerance, fragrance and suitability for making rose water and rose petal confections. Photos here (including some from Pakistan).

Another rose you may have in you area is "Maggie", but the buds and foliage of your rose look like 'GaT', not "Maggie".

To my eyes, the flower in the photo of the other rose looks more like GaT.

GaT seems to be one of those rather rare roses that thrive in a large variety of different climates and everyone seems happy with them.. Even if Geschwind had introduced just this rose he would still be a famous breeder. I wonder if such a rose could be introduced by today's mass commercial breeders. Similarly with some older Kordes creations (I have an admirable single truss of Dortmund in a vase in front of me just as I type this - a good rose for Christmas decoration btw) and Dot's Nevada.

That's definitely not Pompon de Bourgogne which is a miniature spring blooming Centifolia/Gallica with tiny pointed leaves and small flowers. This here is a standard sized rose and does look like some kind of Bourbon or Hybrid Perpetual.

I also have GaT and love the bright red blooms. The foliage seems BS prone here, sadly. I'm hoping it improves with age. It is surrounded by yarrow, happily, so one doesn't notice the foliage much. The Eugene B china has perfect gorgeous foliage.

khatri, the rose in your first picture is simply lovely. I'm impressed by how much love and care you give your roses so they survive in your hellish temperatures. It must be very hard for people and animals to tolerate.

Sheila, I enjoyed your picture of Eugene. It's not a rose one sees very often. I think I can spot another purple rose behind it. Munstead Wood, Ebb Tide or something else?

Yes, Ingrid, that is Ebb Tide.

Thank you for all the suggestions! I do believe that the one which continues to bloom is a Gruss an Teplitz.

Here are a few more pictures of the Bourbon type rose that I now believe to be an Edouard rose. This bud has just opened up. It was intensely fragrant when it first started opening up, but we have had a few very bad sandstorms the past few, and the wind removed all of the fragrance.

This is so fascinating. I would love to see further pics of your garden even if everything is in pots. It looks gorgeous!

Me too! I’d love to see everything you’re growing! Lisa

vmr423, when we saw a large bush of Gruss an Teplitz at the BBG years and years ago, my husband said, "Why can't we grow that rose?" Like many men he loves red roses. Why didn't I listen to him? I love them too -- now. I think I thought it at the time it would take up too much room and now we really don't have any more room.

Khatrisidhant, I'd like to join the list of forum members who have expressed a keen interest in seeing more of your roses and other plants! Our climates are very different, and I'd love to see what grows in your region of the world.

Sheila, where did you get your incredibly beautiful Eugene Beauharnais?

Carol

I do think the Pakistani Rose is likely 'Gruss an Teplitz'.

The first rose you posted photos of does not seem to be the 'Rose Edouard' of Australia and Brazil (they both have a long, smooth recepatacle), and I don't think I've ever seen a rose with the bristly peduncle in your second photo, but it certainly could be one of the early Bourbons often called 'Rose Edouard'.

Nik and Christopher, if you're still checking this thread, have you seen a bristly peduncle on your 'Rose Edouard' or on any other rose? Anyone else?

Virginia

Carol, it was RVRs. EB really is a charmer. Totally healthy.

Virginia, I don't have 'Rose Edouard' in any of its forms right now, but I have "followed" it for a bit. Alas, no room at the moment.

Anyway, I did notice these pics.......

http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.250885

http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.138228

http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.127725

http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.110162

I see bristly receptacles, varying in intensity. Even in the OP's pics this feature varies.

I'm still sticking with a form going around as 'Rose Edouard', especially since it's so common on the Indian subcontinent -- and, in all likelihood, this is where it originated, rather than the story on Mauritius.

:-)

~Christopher