I know about the $ and I like to bundle my purchases with one vendor to save shipping. : ((( Someday I'll get it. Munstead is always fragrant for me followed by my NOID AnneBoleyn/Eglantine. Tess is also very fragrant.

Hi Darren -- you posted a photo of a gorgeous rose in a vase back in November, and you said you thought it was Savoy Hotel. I just looked that one up, thinking I might like that one, but the savoy hotel that came up for me is a shell-pink rose -- which doesn't look at all like yours. Did I get the name wrong?

I picked this out my garden today. :)

I couldn’t order Evelyn here in the UK. I emailed DA website and they replied, saying it wouldn’t grow well for me here in the uk, that it was only successful in hotter climates :/

Deborah ,

im sorry - I got the name mixed up with another rose I have. It’s not Savoy Hotel. I’ll find the name of it and let you know tonight. Xx

For Deborah:

Found it!! There you go, lovely. Xx

Joie de Vivre is brilliant for cutting and bringing into the house. Looks great in a vase for a week. Beautiful compact Bush with luscious healthy green foliage. Very mildly scented. Won rose of the year, I think, in 2010? Xx

Am I the only one who keeps all the labels? Aha.

I don't think we have that beauty in the US, HMF only lists 2 by that name & neither one is a Floribunda. I also keep labels but am so disorganised that I can never find them.

Hi Darren, I keep all my labels from my rose purchases, too, plus annuals and perennials. They stay in albums with plastic pages of pockets (for photos--but work well for labels). I get the ones with some space to write short notes on each plant. I even have those great gold charms that DA used to include with their tags. I should make a charm bracelet with them!....I'm sorry you got the run around from DA about Evelyn. I don't know whether to believe them about colder climates--it seems like one more fake reason they might have for banishing her. I do know she can take the heat and stands up well to the sun (it's hot, dry, and sunny here in summer).....your Joie de Vivre is just gorgeous--do you think she is sold in the US under another name? HMF should clarify that, I guess. For years, I've loved Savoy Hotel. What do you think of it? What a beautiful, big hunk of rose Savoy is. Diane

Thank you, Darren. It looks like Joie de Vivre in Europe is known as Cream Veranda in the USA. Kordes rose. This is from the Palatine Roses website:

Add to cartThe
very healthy Cream Veranda® has a large display of pastel pink blooms
with faintly yellow center. The flowers are medium to large, very full,
and old-fashioned in form. The bushy plant is 2' - 2.5' tall. Its
upright, compact and floriferous habit is ideally suited for planters or
smaller garden spaces. Cream Veranda has received a large number of
rose awards including: ADR 2009, ROTY in England for 2011, Le Roeulx
silver medal 2008. Propagated on hardy Rosa Multiflora rootstock. All
roses have been grown and tended in our family-owned rose nursery. This
is a rose tree (rose standard).

Rose Details

Rose name:

Cream Veranda®

Other names:

Garden of Roses®, Cream Flower Circus®, Joie de Vivre®

Type:

Veranda®, Patio, Floribunda rose

Fragrance:

Scented rose

Rose color:

Light Pink

Breeder:

Kordes, 2007

Height:

2' - 2.5' *

Shrub form:

Bushy

Bloom size:

Medium

Petal count:

Very Full

Hardy:

USDA 5b - 9b *

Healthy:

Very Healthy
Repeat bloomer

Vaporvac - I missed out on the Perdita parade as well and as an own root rose her bloom form and petal count seem to be affected from what has been reported here. I placed my large own root Evelyn in the garden last fall but now want another for my deck garden again but DA is sold out and I don’t want to start a new order with another online nursery. Hopefully I can place an order for her this summer for spring 2019 delivery.

Sharifa, Jude, and Abe Darby are the strongest smelling, in my opinion, although many of them smell absolutely wonderful. I also really like Heritage.

Good luck, Dave. I hope you can obtain Evelyn, but I think there's a good chance she's gone permanently from DA. Please let us the outcome of your Evelyn quest. Diane

Thanks, Diane. I called them today and they confirmed Evelyn would be sold next season - Phew!!! They are just out of stock this season. I will be sure to place my order early next time.

That's great, Dave. I shouldn't be such a pessimist. Diane

I don’t think you’re being a pessimist, Diane. Sadly, I hadn’t noticed that Evelyn was not in their catalog. Either they forgot to include her or she is on her way out. I still feel Abe is on his way out - few old pictures on the site, disease resistance downgraded to poor. I was surprised to see WS2000 skip the supplemental English roses section and be thrown in the additional varieties list. He’s definitely a goner.

Yaaaay - Debs found out its American name! Congrats! X

Dave, and these are the people that said that Olivia Rose Austin is probably the best rose they have ever produced--right there in the rose's description. Yeah. I won't say more because Olivia has lots of fans, and that's fine because different roses work out differently for each of us for many reasons. I do think that's an extreme statement for DA to make, and boy, has DA promoted Olivia. Diane

Olivia is meh at best for me. Not a huge fan. Blooms are utterly boring in my garden.

I liked her at first, she displayed such good resistance to disease her first year, but now she’s just a few twigs with sparse growth and few blooms.

Olivia looks beautiful. I’ve read rave reviews. Are you growing her in full sun?

Olivia is a solid rose and don’t want to be too harsh of a judge but she is rather plain vs. most of other DA varieties. She has good disease resistance, moderate fragrance (nothing to speak of). The blooms are pretty but they do not have quite the appeal that some other DA varieties do. It is a great rose, though - an easy care selection. I am giving mine to a family member this spring and this is just what they are looking for.

What is it about Olivia that isn't shaking the world like it should? I adore pale pink, fully packed roses, but something keeps holding me back from bringing her home even though I could easily get a good size 3 gal, in bloom, no shipping, from Northland. I'm always late to the party, so I'll no doubt see her merits and desperately want one when she's no longer available.

Dave expressed it - 'she is rather plain...' The color, though beautiful, is flat with no variation or depth to my eye. Since she is shade tolerant, I think she would look best in low light so the color could be seen to better advantage.

It's rather twee don't you think? Even the name tends to imply that.. I prefer something with more oomph, a bit scary, if I'm honest... consequently I don't grow it..

Most fragrant for me so far... 'Royal Jubilee'... 'Bathsheba'.. 'Wollerton Old Hall'.. 'Gentle Hermione'..plus the usual suspects already mentioned...

If you have a few minutes to spare, you might be interested in looking at this video on youtube, of Great British Gardens Revival, as the first part is all about roses. The bit where Rachel interviews David Austin Sr. starts at just 20 minutes in [the whole thing is nearly 10 hours long]... although the first 20 minutes is worth watching as it's mostly from Mottisfont..

BBC youtube

You had me there, Marlorena, so I looked it up. Too cute, precious? Or, do I need to go back to the dictionary? In any case, I love the sound of twee.

Marlorena, I watched the video and it is amazing. I watched it for hours and it is so interesting. Love the video on Daffodils. I thought about Daisy like how she always see them in England .

Thank you for sharing and putting up the video.

Jin

thanks Jin, glad you liked it..

flowersaremusic... you got it !..

Marlorena, Thanks for posting that link. How does Bathshena hold up as a cut flower? She is so gorgeous.

sjn... I'm sorry to admit that I've not taken any blooms off it yet for indoors, they looked so nice on the bush I didn't have the heart.. but with such a full bloom I'd expect them to last quite well... probably similar to 'Crown Princess Margarita' and suchlike... although I've not grown that one..

It's been an evergreen rose here this winter, with little in the way of foliage issues, and it's just itching to get going again.... I'm increasingly impressed with this rose so far..

Thank you, Marlorena, for that link! I’ve only had the chance to watch the first two hours but hope to continue to enjoy it through these late winter days.

Oh I'm delighted you're enjoying it Dave, ... you too Jin ..!

It's rather bleak here at the moment as we experience a blast of weather from Siberia, so I might catch up with it again... I seriously need to be reminded of summer..

I am afraid I am in the minority here as I always choose flower form over fragrance. Firstly I have bad allergy and most of the time my nose is stuffed in the summer and secondly I do believe fragrance attract Japanese Beetles to my garden, which is a huge problem for me. I am getting pickier in choosing roses as I am running out of garden space therefore they have to be more unique than the average.

I would love to know for those of you who live in colder zones which of the "newer" varieties does well in zone 5.

I've never had any problems with Austin roses, but Eglantyne, Abe D., Evelyn, Spirit of F., St. Swithun, Golden Celeb. and Tess of the d'U. are superior in hardiness.

Of my Kordes, Cinderella Fairy Tale, Honeymoon, Quicksilver, Cape Diamond and Rosarium Uetersen are super hardy.

Meilland roses that have exceeded my expectations are Colette, Johann Strauss, Rouge Royale and White Mediliand.

Roses from other breeders that are especially hardy here are Wild Blue Yonder, Flamenco Rosita, Cinco de Mayo and Pink Home Run.

I only winter protect newly planted bands that are zone pushers, otherwise, they are entirely dependent on their hardiness.

Jjpeace, I just realized you were only asking about Austin roses. My apologies!

No apology needed, flowersaremusic. I am grateful that you took the time to respond and provide additional information. Much appreciated. I do grow Golden Celebration and Evelyn as well and they do very well in our zones. Teasing Georgia is perhaps best of all the austins that I've grown. Of the other ones you have mentioned, Wild Blue Yonder does do very well in my garden and I have just planted Cinderella last spring. Just curious, how big did Cinderella gets for you?

Jjpeace, I have 3 Cinderellas, and they all took about 3 years to get established. Once they started growing and blooming, I wished I had more. One has stayed under 4'. The other two are 6-7' tall and vase shaped. All planted within a year of each other about 7 years ago. All own root, all from Northland. There's hardly a pause between bloom cycles. They're healthy, productive and hardy. I hope yours doesn't take as long to get started. I'm sure I didn't plant mine with enough good soil and amendments. I'm happy to hear Teasing Georgia is a good rose for you. I hope to get that one this spring.

If that is the case, I need to move Cinderella to another spot. I actually didn't expect it to grow that large. Thanks for the information.

Marlorena, I'm just now getting around to watching the link you provided. It's interesting and informative as well as beautiful. You Brits know how to garden!! I have to make myself stop so I can get dinner on the table. Thank you!

You are missing Jude The Obscure, Sharifa Asma, Radio Times

For what it is worth, I will add my short list of Austins that I have found to be quite fragrant. They are Munstead Wood, The Prince, Lady Emma Hamilton, The Poet's Wife, Jude the Obscure when it bothers to do anything, and a couple of sleepers that no one has mentioned being Windrush and Morning Mist.

Up-date:

Well so far from all my bare root roses, Golden Celebration has the most foliage -whereas most of the others are only just starting to leaf out. I’m guessing GC has a good bushy habit in general? I’m loving that most DA roses have beautiful red leaves as they open. Stunning! So excited every morning checking their daily growth <3

Hope everyone’s new BR roses are thriving!

Love,

D

I do grow GC and it is one of my showstopper. It didn't do much the
first few years but when it matures, it put a show like no other.

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As you can see, it does have blackspot and mites loves it. The good thing however is, the leaves stays on the plant mostly, so it isn't naked throughout the rest of the summer.

The other two austins I would definitely recommend is Teasing Georgia and Evelyn. Jude doesn't do much in my garden. I got a handful of blooms and that is pretty much it.

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Nice pics!

jjpeace - your roses are glorious!!!! Especially your Evelyn!!! I really hope your roses survive your ice burial. I think I'm going to give my puny Evelyn more time and new soil in its pot. Wow!

Carol

Oh my... such delights before my very eyes! Divine! Thanks for sharing :)

GC is so beautiful and I keep wondering why I have not brought home Evelyn. That is absolutely the kind of rose that I love what beautiful color.

If you are making a hedge, I recommend you pick one rose for the whole thing. It is more striking if your row is all white, or pink or red or yellow. The musk rose Penelope or any shrub rose makes a beautiful hege. Hybred teas don't blend together as well.

H

Out of my 34 Austin as own-roots, Leander knocked my socks off with its amazing scent, just as good as Felicia. Ann in Northern CA with many Austins noted the same about Leander. To my nose, Leander's scent is like Radio Times and Jude combined. It's very low-thorn, with a round & compact bush shape, and NO OCTOPUS CANE.

Really? I didn't know that Leander had that good of a fragrance! Yours is beautiful!!