Hi cp thanks for chiming in and helping out. I believe, You are right what I drew is incorrect. I thought it would be easier for folks to read rather than the one done by our architect. I don’t think the window can be moved as it will impact the exterior, which I will post). How come you switched the stove/sink. We really would like a sink under the window.

Here is a view of the exterior. Front right window is kitchen window.

Yep, don't want to change the windows. Hopefully someone else will come up with a better plan.

The reason I don't like the stove where you have it, is it's in the pathway and not isolated so is less safe. The sink which is your cleanup sink is the furthest from your dining table.

So for example, someone is cooking and another person wants to put something in the dishwasher. It means crossing past the cook or walking around the other way.

Is it a priority to be able to see into the living room--perhaps to watch TV-- from the prep zone?

More questions...

how to you expect to use the dining area?

How many people will use the dining table daily and how many on special occasions?

Your dining room will also serve as a walkway between public and private areas of your home. Depending on how many people in your home and how frequently the chairs are use, the space might be a bit tight. A 3'x9' dining table is kind of unusual; do you already have a table with these dimensions?

I'm not as concerned with her dining room being a pathway between public and private spaces. I have my dining room as a path between the friend's entry and our living room and I don't think it will be a problem especially since the space is almost 5' wide between table and staircase.

Cp, ok what you are saying makes sense. Sheeesh, why are things so challenging. lol Yup, I’m not concerned abt the dining area and people accessing private areas. It’s not a big deal and there is a lot of room.

Hello benje.thank you for joining. There is not a need to see tv from prep zone. The dining table is not this size, it’s 60”oval seats 4-6. Currently and for the last few years, it serves as a drop zone...lol So, nope, not used often. the breakfast bar is what is always used. (:

What are the lengths of the red and blue lines; the width of the kitchen wall from the foyer corner to the sink window and the width of the sink window?

Is a corner stove a bad idea?

How important is it to keep that doorway between the kitchen and the back hall?

If it's a have-to-have...

I'm posting this not as the perfect solution, but to keep the brainstorming going :-)

My goals were to get uninterrupted counter between cooktop and sink, a wall oven, and conversational counter seating since it's your primary eating space.

This is the island seating inspiration. I figured it can seat 3 and it's centered on your window. Aisle widths on each side are 45" door front to counter edge (not handle to counter edge), but it might not be a terrible compromise since it's easy enough to enter the working side of the kitchen via the hall doorway?

As per usual, Ikea froze in the middle of my efforts, but this should give you the idea.

A line from center front of the fridge to the center front of the cooktop shouldn't clip an island more than 12", so that would need to be tweaked. If you opted for a wall oven, this island is a total obstacle between grabbing a frozen pizza and popping it in :-(

I played around with removing the doorway to the back hall. This is where she froze. (ugh)

Hey benje. Re shifting front door...The front door can b shifted a bit. The front entry has a direct line of sight to the back doors and outsid views. How much are u thinking of moving it?

The kitcen is 14’10”. So window etc can all be shifted at this point, since we are at the drawing stage only.

Im planning a range at this point, but am open to cooktop/wall oven. Island can be changed and configured anyway.

hey rebunky thank you for chiming in. Good question re corner stove. Let’s see what others say. I know corner sinks are not good, no idea abt corner stoves.

No moving the front door, just wondered about removing the doorway between the kitchen and the back hall.

Benje, re removing doorway to back hall, hmm that could work... by the way u are way better than me with computer. I am totally illiterate. Again, thank you. What about putting the fridge on sink wall?

I was afraid the fridge would crowd the window. The last 36" fridge I checked specs on required 16" between fridge and wall to be able to pull crisper drawers out.

Is it okay if the window is not centered; moved toward the front door maybe?

Hi benje we can move the window. But need to pay attention to exterior as well. A coffe center can then be put on wall by front entry

Bb, I wonder if splitting the window into two would work on the front elevation to open it up for the range to be centered between the windows? Would that spark an idea?

P G, what do you think about the look of this from the front yard? I’m not an expert, but looks fine to me. I think you could get an awesome layout if the range could be centered on that wall.

Ok, not sure about this, but here ya go! :-)

Thank you rebunky. More food for thought!

I think the purpose of this new floor plan was to put your clean up sink at the front facing window, isn't it? I chose to place my sink at front facing window and I love it.

This layout scoots the front window toward the front door to make room for a tall microwave cabinet and a 36" counter depth fridge to the left. The island is gigantic because it's 24" deep base cabs back-to-back plus a 15" overhang.

Another suggestion... you might consider a laundry room configuration like this with washer/dryer on left and utility sink and counter on the right. I actually cut and pasted my own laundry space into this drawing for an example, in your house . I'd put the utility sink toward the exterior wall so it's still accessible when the laundry room door is open. I'm really happy with this layout in my house.

But won’t scooting front window towards the front door look off center with that window above?

Rebunky didn't move the kitchen windows. She moved the garage windows in the elevation. If you put windows on either side of the cooktop like she and I showed, the front will look unbalanced. If it's what you want to do, I would discuss with Doug first

Benje..Good morning and thank you again for your efforts. you are correct, I wanted a window in the front of the house. Ideally the sink would be under the window. The kitchen window can be moved and reconfigured, as long as it looks good from the exterior. I am ok with having the sink off center as well. I agree with CP re stove/window set up. Also, thank you for your laundry room ideas.

Rebunky..re kitchen window, the upper garage windows will be removed. As there will not be a room above the garage.

OK here's another suggestion without changing out the front windows. I do love that large window and I think it will help with light into the kitchen.

I extended the foyer wall and moved the stove to that wall.

I moved the opening from the hallway up a bit and added the fridge there with about 3" of room on the end so the fridge door opens.

The sink is in the same place it was. Didn't move it.

Moved the dishwasher to between the sink and the fridge.

Shortened the island. It's now 6' long and will seat 3 comfortably.

Moved the prep sink over a bit so you can put things on the end of the island before washing.

So now you have two excellent spaces for prepping food. Or if it were me, I'd probably ditch the prep sink on the island and leave the island "bare" and instead get a large prep sink like the Kohler Prolific. It's about 45" long and if you put two faucets on it, 2 people can work at it at the same time.

BTW: You can also get a dining table that is wider than 36".

Looks great CP, very creative. How long is that foyer wall now that u extended it. What are thoughts about putting a small sink along the back/hall wall and having a coffee/beverage center? I like having a bare breakfast bar. (: Hope, our architect, ARG approves.!

The beverage center is a great idea, but it looks like you will not have room to do that and keep good functional aisle size. I’m not sure I would make a smaller island to get the b. center. Getting room would require reconfiguring the laundry/pantry/hallway, shifting the kitchen/entry wall over or adding up to 2 feet to the house.

Would you need a small sink in a b. center with a prep sink so close in the island?

You could get a longer island if you were able to remove the wall between the pantry and island. Pantry might seem closer too.

Another idea if you keep that wall would be to turn the island and have the seating facing the living room. You island could be 7 feet. You would have room behind the island for shallow cabs.

Hello ranto, your advice is well taken and nope, can’t add more feet‘ to the house, lol. Leaving the breakfast bar bare is a consideration.

hi Karen, more ideas to ponder re removing the pantry wall. That pantry wall creates the hall which leads from garage to bedrooms. I like your idea re turning the island. Thank you

I tried turning the island first . Didn't work because it then runs into your dining room.

To answer your question, you don't have enough room to add a coffee bar area unless you're willing to lose 2 feet of your island. The island right now is 6' and will seat 3 comfortably. Personally, I find a shorter island sort of "stumpy" looking but that's just me.

The wall is approximately 11'6" now.

Good info CP

Thank you for all the help so far on this kitchen. If anyone has other suggestions or ideas, they will be greatly appreciated. :)