How about Mrs. B R Cant? Mine throws long canes that could be used on a fence,

Mlle. de Sombreuil has been described as such in some of the literature and given its growth habit I would agree. Le Vesuve also has long trailing canes going down a steep hill where I can't cut it without risking life and limb. I don't suggest it, though, because of its many vicious thorns, and because you'll hate me. If you can grow noisettes I'd recommend Blush Noisette which is putting out long feelers every which way and is not very thorny. A very fast grower, but the blooms don't last long. It's not a tea, but Mutabilis has been described as growing 30 feet up the wall of a stately home in England.

La Vesuve. Now, why don't I grow this rose?

Adam/Mme Berard would be really nice for this, plus it is nearly thornless. I used to grow it, and I need to reacquire it.

You would grow Le Vesuve if you looked at Jackie's 100-year-old specimen (now gone but you can do a search). After I saw it I bought four, and still have the two that weren't planted ridiculously close to the edge of the hillside.

As Christopher says, and Melissa has often mentioned, most Teas will climb given support.

Do you have a particular Tea that you want to try? Are you wanting something that can be trained to grow out more than up?

Virginia

I've seen a 'Susan Louise' in Oakland, California trained against a low fence, the fence was c. 4 feet tall and 40' plus feet long. The rosebush trailed along the fence for more than 30 feet, I'd deem. The size of the bloom and the floriferousness of the plant made it a stunningly beautiful site, simply masses of large blowsy pink Tea roses in bloom nearly every month of the year. Sadly, this was c. 2004 and c. 2005 the house was sold and the new owners had it removed. I wanted to ask them "why?"

Lux.

My experience agrees with what Chris writes: give a shrubby Tea support and it will just lengthen its canes another two feet, and who knows how long it'll keep going. My 'Archduke Joseph', a big rose in any case, has colonized the persimmon it's trained through, and at about 14' x 14' (4m x 4m) is a full-sized climber. 'Mrs. B. R. Cant', 'Mme. Antoine Marie', 'Safrano' all have some support and have lengthened their canes with it. If you have a rose you want to try this with, I'd say go for it. I've also seen a huge 'Mutabilis' grown with support.

Lux, who knows? It's not like the world has more beauty than it knows what to do with. The more reason for us to grow roses.

Christopher, I was just wondering the other day how your roses were doing, and here you are with roses and other beautiful plants blooming their heads off. Alliance Franco-Russe looks wonderful in its pot, and it's a rose I wish I had.

I grew a polyantha, Aunt Margie's Rose, against a wall and at one time it was about 7 feet tall before I pruned it. Duchesse de Brabant, grown out in the open wasn't even four feet tall and the one I have now, a relative youngster at three years old, shot up to 4 feet in less than a year and is now 6 feet tall and still growing against a house wall. Roses can certainly surprise you.

Amen to that, Ingrid! I was amazed to read your comments about your Blush Noisette,for example; in my garden, this rose grows very slowly and shows no inclination whatsoever to climb!!! This is when I start wondering about clones and such things. Another funny thing: a rose that I ordered that was supposed to be Ornement des Bosquets is clearly NOT that rose, but looks to me exactly like Blush Noisette. And on another occaision, I ordered what was supposed to have been Belle Vichyssoise, but once again ended up with what I think is Blush Noisette. None of these show any climbing tendencies.

Nik, what about Florence Bowers' Pink Tea? My own-root one is still in a pot, too small to go out,but I am excited about that'un. I also just got Dr. Domingos Pereira; though still very small it clearly wants to climb. Elie Beauvilain is a very nice climbing tea; so is Marie Nabonnand. Personally I prefer the flowers of Noella Nabonnand,but am having trouble getting it to grow; got it own-root from Nino Sanremo ,but its just been sitting there sort of, for years,the proverbial one-cane wonder. Maybe I should shop around and try to get a grafted one...

bart, just yesterday I had to take a long pole to coax back down the new growth on BN from climbing into the cracks under the eaves of the house. I wonder if its being in the shade for a good part of the day has it reaching up and away. That rose is beginning to scare me. It's the pits to keep getting incorrect roses, isn't it? It costs money and then there is the problem of where to put them. I'm amazed that Florence Bowers is available to you in Europe when it just very recently began to be offered by vendors here.

Le Vesuve, and also Anna Olivier (if you can get the correct rose - the blooms are as below, NOT all pale yellow.).

Jackie

This is Anna Olivier, tied up to a wall - it has climbed to the second story of our house:

My old original Le Vesuves (one of which we are pretty sure was over 100 years old) were over 8 feet tall and 8-10 feet wide, standing unsupported, so I would imagine they would get taller on a structure. What I like most about them is the almost continual bloom. Here is a pic I just took of the only one I have now - it is a baby, about 2 years old, from a cutting I rooted. It is just getting going now - has doubled in size since March of this year.

Jackie

Last comment - I forgot to mention, some people think that Le Vesuve is really a china, not a tea. Its growth habit is certainly china like.

Jackie

Got Florence from the incomparable Roseraie du Désert.

Incorrect roses are annoying indeed; you go to all the hard work of planting them out, watering, etc, only to find that the plant is totally wrong for the spot...if you're lucky! In the case of these "not-OdesB" and "not-BV" at least I was sent something that I can tolerate, lol...not like the time I was sent "Rock-and-Roll" in place of "Belle de Sardaigne", or this shocking little number with neon-yellow-and-red flowers instead of Lavender Flower Circus. This is another good thing about growing a rose for it's first year in a pot; since here in Europe we also have to contend with rose replant disease issues we can't just casually dig a wrong rose out and plant the new one. Now I'm trying to remember if I was ever sent a "wrong" rose that I ended up actually liking...yes! instead of Asta Von Parpat I was sent this cute mysterious guy with smallish dark pink flowers... maybe some day I'll find the patience to learn how to post photos, and could find out what this rose actually is...

I wonder if it's possible that Le Vesuve is a hybrid between a China and a Tea. I love the smaller leaves of LV. Yours is hefty for a two-year-old. Everything gets huge in your garden. It's like a magic fairy tale place that the rest of us can only gape at in wonder.

Yes, bart, I hear you. I was not pleased when I received a blindingly orange (and I do not do orange!) number instead of the eagerly awaited Spice.

Hi Nik, I’ve been away from the forum for a bit and trying to catch up on posts I missed. So glad to hear the wonderful news of yourand Virginia’s promising test results on the other thread!

Both my Marie Van Houtte and Mrs Dudley Cross throw long, low growing canes that would work nicely draped on a fence. They are both only a few years old, so growth habit may in time change from out to up, but for now they are wide girls who would benefit from support to lift those long canes upward.

Here’s a full bush shot of MvH from earlier this year and some other pics that show a bit of her growth pattern

MDC long cane basically laying on the ground:

Now I'm really miffed. I ordered Marie van Houtte but received Mrs. B.R. Cant instead, which is not a favorite with me because the flowers are reddish in its sunny spot. Mrs. Dudley Cross is a wonderful rose.

Ingrid, I got the wrong rose my first try for Marie van Houtte, too. First one ended up being Maman Cochet. Tried again from different source the next year and got the right one. You may want to try again, too. i think you'd really like her

'Mrs Dudley Cross' is unusually low on thorns, yes? And if she's willing to "go long" on a chain link fence, that sounds ideal.

pat_bamaz, your photos are always so...enabling. Keep up the good work!

Virginia

Thanks all for your suggestions and glorious pics. Some of the roses you mention are difficult to locate in Europe.

I have just ordered (against the advice of my account balance..) 5 budded bareroot roses from Roseraie Ducher in France. The first two, General Gallieni and Marie Van Houtte should be the correct in commerce roses judging from the pics.

Confusion and surprises may result from the others:

'Madam de Tartas' the french form listed as a Hybrid Tea and described as full and light pink.

'Gilbert Nabonnand' and 'Jean Ducher' may or may not be different roses and who knows what they really are..

Total Euro 87 including tax and shipping. Not a bad deal.

I still have Bon Silene, Mademoiselle Franziska Kruger and Anna Olivier
growing in pots since last year, which should be put in the ground as soon (?????) as the first rains come.

Do you think any of these could be planted against my fence?

I've had basically good experience with Loubert.

Anna Olivier could be planted against your fence.

Jackie

Hmm, Virginia, you've got me wondering now about thorns. I will have to check the Mrs. this weekend to see if she is low thorn. I don't recall ever being bitten by her thorns...only by the fire ants that love to live under her.

I've been growing Mademoiselle Franziska Kruger for about 5 years now if my feeble memory is right. Slow grower at maybe 4 ft high by about the same width now. She doesn't throw the long, low canes that MvH and MDC do in my garden...instead has a rounded, twiggy China-like habit for me. Mine would look nice in front of a fence, but would not “climb” it, and depending on fence height, may never reach the top of it. I think MFK does prefer your climate over mine, though, so may grow much differently for you. She’s a great rose here from mid-summer on, but early season she sulks with bs and balling issues.

Here’s a full bush shot of MFK from June (please excuse the background views…BIL’s junky old shed on the property line between us in back right and Zephy canes defoliated from BS in back left).

And some close ups showing short, twiggy canes:

I really love your MFK Pat. Beautiful photos!

I have Bon Silene growing against a fence. It's approximately a six foot fence and Bon Silene is now about four feet above it, after four years. It's also grown through the fence, which my neighbors don't seem to mind. The growth so far has been a little awkward, so I'm hoping it will fill out as it matures.