I think I'd rather have the DW and sink closer to the window, with the range between the sink and fridge. I know that's not in IWSF order, but with a small kitchen, that order is not as important. While you're cooking, a helper could unload the DW, but you'd still have easy access to the fridge. I'm wondering how comfortable it would be to unload the DW while standing in that corner by the fridge--if you plan to keep dishes in the cabinets to the right of the DW.

I'm looking forward to seeing the fold-down table in your kitchen.

"I'm looking forward to seeing the fold-down table in your kitchen."

Me too!

I'm not attached to the placement of things, and I see what you mean about the dishwasher. Would there be any benefit to having a separate cooktop and wall oven? Is that a lot more expensive?

This is nearly the same layout as my new kitchen!

My plan was for main prep to be between the range and the sink. However I find myself prepping over the dishwasher a lot. I just pull stuff out of the fridge and use the counter that's right there. Also I can imagine there could be interference with dishwasher and fridge as mama goose says (I live alone so not a problem for me). I'd consider keeping range and sink as you have in the drawing, with the dishwasher between them. It's not typical GW recommendation, and I'm not positive I would change mine if I did it over, but in hindsight I would have given that option more consideration.

Another possible idea I might have pursued more in hindsight is finding another way to make the leg from range to fridge smaller (that's the reason the range-sink prep space feels far from the fridge). NKBA recommends 4'-9' for each leg of the work triangle.

Here's my new kitchen layout, it's about 12x17. I have a chimney myself in that nook behind the pantry.

Another idea lisa_a drew for me several years ago as an example. Not positive I'd prefer this one overall, but it would have solved this one problem:

Attempting to answer some of your questions:

1) I have a super susan, which was really the only option in the space for me. I don't have much stored there yet.

2) I have an Ancona 625 cfm range hood from Costco. Appliance forum did not think very highly of it, but to me it's an upgrade from the 30 year old Jenn-air downdraft, so no complaints. I think there are people with higher performance expectations that would say there is a difference.

4) I don't think the pattern is too busy. I don't especially care for the striato personally. Have you seen artemis78's kitchen? http://ths.gardenweb.com/discussions/2694690/modern-california-bungalow-kitchen-finally-finished

Caligirl, that's funny! We could have near identical kitchens.
A plan like Lisa's was also suggested to me, but only if we didn't get rid of the chimney. If the chimney goes, there is space to keep the fridge next to the counter, which I think I prefer. We want space on the opposite wall for the pull-down table and I don't think I want that next to the fridge, esp considering the depth of my space.

Do you have pictures of your kitchen? I did a quick search for you and didn't find any.

I love Artemis' floor! I think of the two patterns I posted, I like light blue/med blue the best. But who knows, I may just go for something like this

As far as hoods go, I don't feel the need for anything huge, but I haven't really researched that yet.

I don't think much of the narrow pullout spice concept because you have to bend down and squint in low light to read tiny letters or dark letters on dark background to figure out where the spice is.

You'll be much better off with using one top drawer for the spices.

I haven't done a reveal yet. GC just finished the last item and removed the lock box on Friday. Kitchen has been mostly done for a while, but it's cluttered while I'm still figuring out where to put everything. I have all the most-used stuff put away already, but trying to be deliberate on the less-used stuff too. Like making sure I don't put stuff on the top shelf and forget it's there. Or putting things in the basement that ought to go to goodwill.

I'm wondering how comfortable it would be to unload the DW while standing in that corner by the fridge

I think you can fit the fridge on the 195" wall if you'll be fine with a 30" sink cab.

Thinking a broom pullout b/w the fridge and the wall and deeper counters on that side of the kitchen and 15" deep pantry cab+mama's fold down table or maybe something like this on the other side.

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Since you're tall you can consider up lifting doors for uppers. Unloading the DW would be much easier with them IMO.

It's always fun for me to see old layouts pop up and determine if I agree with myself :-)

I prefer Mama's suggestion now; going left to right: dishwasher-sink-prep space-range-corner-fridge. For one, I learned in my own small kitchen renovation that it's best to keep that darn dishwasher door out of the way. Secondly, I think your range and maybe a nice range hood would be a lovely focal point from the dining room, through the door (compared to a sink.)

No time to draw right now, but maybe later. Are you using Ikea boxes?

Here's a drawing of DW-Sink-Range-Fridge in an L. I like how it keeps the dishwasher out of the way and I think it's neat that you see the range through the dining room door.

I'm confused about the bottom wall. Measurements given show a 32,5" doorway and 77" wall. Does 32,5" include the door opening and the trim on both sides?

Oh wow, so many ideas! I will have to have a look at this again later on today, but I wanted to respond to you sena about the measurements. It's really just a doorway, as the actual door is just off the foyer, past the basement door (weird old house) . I'm attaching a pic for clarity. I remeasured, and the wall opening is more like 33.5." I think I did the previous measurement on the floor and didn't account for the paneling/baseboard. But I suppose the size of the wall opening is less important than the size of the wall (where the fridge is now and will remain). I measured that again and got 76.5." Perhaps my earlier 77" was based on the floor, which is tricky since I can't reach the measuring tape on the floor from wall to wall b/c of the base cabs. I think 76.5" is more likely to be accurate. I hope that makes sense!

Here is a mock up of what you are looking into....

Good luck!

Ha, I never look at Gardenweb anymore but for some reason got a ping from the thread with our finished kitchen photos this afternoon, and wandered over to see this--fun! I am way out of the kitchen planning sphere at this point but will just throw some random feedback your way. We like our patterned floor, but do not love the Marmoleum tiles and would not use them again. They have not held up well to our household's wear and tear. (We have a large dog and small kids, though, so YMMV; our neighbors have sheet Marmoleum that is 15+ years old and are very happy with it, but they also don't have kids or pets.) The gray we used (Eternity) also reads very blue, so if you decided to do Marmoleum and are going for blue on the neutral side, it's a good color to look at even though it appears gray initially.

We also have painted cabinets and with pets and kids, the paint job has held up decently--it's completely fine for us but if we were selling our house, I would have them repainted. (We're at six years.) Our cabinetmaker will repaint them for us when we're ready and he plans to take the doors back to his shop to spray and then paint everything else on site. We're fine with the dings for now, though, so plan to try to eke ten years out of them if we can (at which point our kids will be older and less likely to careen into them, too...hopefully!) If you need a pristine paint job and are tough on kitchens, five years is likely about right, unfortunately. The upside is that painted cabinets that get dinged can be easily repaired and repainted, though, which isn't the case for stained, so there's that to consider too.

And lastly, one of the best decisions we made when remodeling was to get rid of our old chimney--it has made a huge difference. Have fun with the remodeling process! :)

Hi artemis, I have an arts and crafts bungalow in the bay area as well and had come across your kitchen in the archives. First thing I thought of for patterned blue marmoleum!

It just seems like that upper cabinet in the corner, and the lower one too for that matter, would be awfully hard to reach, tucked back like that from the fridge. Would you consider bumping them out? It would make the fridge look counter-depth, and give you a deeper counter but more accessible cabinets. The deeper counter could hold the mixer, etc, that you don't use all that often.

So, so much to think about. Thanks again, everyone!

I have gotten so used to the first plan in my OP (benjesbride's plan) that the idea of looking at other layouts is overwhelming. There are so many decisions to be made in this process, and I love finally making a decision and then closing that door and moving on. I have no problem with the idea of moving around the range, DW, and sink, but I'm not sure about moving the fridge. I will continue to look at the plans and try to envision those layouts. This kind of project will be PERFECT for VR someday.

Benjesbride: yes, still planning to use Ikea boxes. And the guy we are looking at hiring actually likes installing them! As to the placement of the range, would it be a nice view from the DR if we just have a ss panel behind it and a small, plain hood? I don't really want to tile behind the range b/c it would be such a pain to keep clean, and I don't want a large hood b/c I need that cabinet space above. So Idk about that being a particularly *attractive* view from the DR, but it may be on par with the sink (which will have a nice backsplash but will probably by canceled out by dirty dishes peeking out).

Sena: that is a cool pull-out table, and a 30" sink cab is fine. Is there a particular reason to have the fridge along the wall with everything else? Is that just to avoid that awkward corner?

bpathome & Debbi: I like the idea of pulling that little bit of counter/cab forward. I imagine that is something our contractor/subs can do. And Debbi, having a narrow counter/table on the opposite wall is appealing. You think there is enough space? With the size we have to work with, it may be challenging to make it look uncluttered/uncramped.

artemis: thanks for the feedback on floor and cabinets. That's disappointing to hear about the floor. My kids are fairly rough on floors. In fact, the pull-up bar you can see in the doorway in my pic is used not just for pull-ups but for swinging on and then jumping (hence the mat, purchased after a hard fall to the tile floor). We currently have a cat with claws, and we are planning to get a dog in the future. Would luxury vinyl flooring have the same issues? I don't dislike stone floors in general, but every time I look at pics for this kitchen, I am drawn to the marmoleum. Maybe I just need to look harder. And as to cabs, yes, we are hard on those too. One of my kids has a motor delay, so things get dropped, banged on, and scraped across pretty often. Good point about being able to touch up painted cabinets though. I wouldn't mind doing that every so often.

Again, thanks for all the feedback. This is exciting!

It would be a little snug - the piece I put in there is made with 12" deep cabinets and a 11" overhang... you would have roughly a 38 " walkway from sink to island and it would be about 22" from the wall ( this is small bu it is just for VERY simple backless stools ) otherwise you could do a piece that is against the wall and have an overhang on each side where the seating faces eachother.....

Or if you don't need the storage, just do a nice little table!

I put mannington (gold?) wood-look "luxury sheet vinyl" in our kitchen/mudroom in 2015 and it has not held up. It has three gashes in it (my husband has a knack for carelessly ruining stuff--hugely frustrating for me.) I put the same floorring in our bathrooms and love it there. The texture of the vinyl is great for slip resistance and softness in the bathrooms, but it really holds on to the dirt tracked in through the door. I recommend paying attention to the surface texture of whatever you choose.

Right now, I'm considering replacing the kitchen/mudroom floor next year with either tile or engineered hardwood.

Is there a particular reason to have the fridge along the wall with everything else? Is that just to avoid that awkward corner?

Yes, corner seemed too tight for both the fridge and the dw and I wasn't sure about the usable space on the 76,5-77" wall.

But moving sink/dw to the other end is a good idea and for the corner maybe you can do what deedles did.