Fast growing medium sized deciduous patio shade tree for south bay, CA
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Comments (4)I've planted 4 of them; up here they are known as Oregon Myrtles. My 4 were tiny sticks with about 8 leaves when I planted them December 2005. Bought them nearby from a native nursery. The nursery lady said they eventually grow 100' tall by 100' wide but you don't see them that big because the wood is so valuable and beautiful that people cut them down. This is a lovely evergreen tree. The 4 I planted had a very slow start. Just 3 weeks ago neighbors on south side put up a 6' cedar fence and that's really helped everything planted near there, where these 4 myrtles are. They're growing now, deep green color and very healthy. Yes, compared to most other trees they are slow, but now they are speeding up a bit. It would take several years, at this rate, for it to become a patio shade tree. For my patio I constructed a raised bed, about 2' high, filled with super good dirt and covered with large stones with irish & scotch moss between the stones. Planted 3 mimosas and 1 purple robe locust there, plus vinca, yuccas, rhodies, and a rosemary going nuts. Since it's raised and everything here's baby from scratch (not tall enough to cast dense shade yet) I have to water the patio daily. But all these trees have thrived and gotten quite huge fast and give good dappled shade. Surrounded the perimeter with sequoias so in a few years won't have to water every day. There are folks here who don't like mimosa or locust but I had to have trees that could handle winter cold and water and yet loved summer sun and heat for this patio which is up against the house and so reflects scorching heat from the house walls and roof. These trees are working perfectly. Generally all the trees I've planted (over 300) appreciate some shade when they're babies. The umbellularia californicas certainly did and do. Even though they are slow, they're definitely worth planting along with faster trees so that decades down the road you have these gorgeous myrtles....See MoreNeed, fast growing bush
Comments (30)Heatherleigh, You can plant okra now through the end of the month of June I believe. Check the online planting calenders for anything after June, not sure how far into summer you can plant it. My okra grew to over 7 feet in a container last year. I understand it loves heat so it might grow bigger in a larger planter or in the ground here in AZ. Can't tell on the sunflowers, I can't grow them as the rabbits eat them usually before they even get their second set of leaves :( But I do know there are many sunflower varieties and you could choose shorter or taller ones as you wish to go with the okra. I think they'd be fabulous together and I actually tried to plant them together in ground this year, even though I swore off in-ground years ago due to predation. So I put in some of the giant gray sunflowers and some of the autumn variety which are multicolor blooms, smaller flowered and shorter. But I should have known better - the rabbits foiled me again, even with chicken wire and netting. So disappointing :( I really need to either make a solid walled courtyard or a grow house made of wire on sides, top and bottom so I can actually grow more than just containers....See MoreNeed suggestions for a fast growing shade trees!
Comments (68)You will see, if you read this entire thread, that there is no such thing as the PERFECT TREE (or plant either, for that matter). All have good points and bad. You need to do adequate research and then decide what you want and what you can live with. Of your list, I can speak to three from personal experience. A Natchez Crape Myrtle would be a nearly ideal size for your home and the amount of space that you have to give it. They, of course, bloom (white) in the summer, have nice fall color, and if pruned and trained properly are at their glorious best in their sculptural leaf-bare selves in the winter. Their bark looks like a giraffe's skin before it peels, and the trunks, as they get larger take on the look of human muscle. Your own organic sculpture. They grow fast (a five gallon plant can easily reach 15 or more feet in three years) and are very drought tolerant once established. On the down side, they require consistent pruning, especially in the first few years, but this is not extremely time consuming. Simply choose three or four (or whatever) trunks that you like and keep limbing them up until the lowest limbs are above your head level. Remove other trunks and suckers that inevitably come up around the base of the tree. If the higher limbs fail to branch at a good height, cut them off ONCE and then remove all but two or three branches that form at the cuts the following year. Do not EVER just amputate limbs, or worse, trunks, because someone tells you the tree will bloom better unless you just like the look of a tree that looks like an upside down witch's broom. Give it some fertilizer to make it bloom, and congratulate yourself all winter on the beautiful structure of your un-maimed tree. (Sorry. I just can't help myself. Crape murder is a personal pet peeve of mine.) Anyway, the other downside of Crape myrtles is the blooms can damage the paint on cars parked below them. On very hot days, the blooms just seem to become one with the paint. (Position the tree away from the driveway. End of problem.) And, they create a fair amount of bloom litter over concrete. Careful positioning can solve this, or just be willing to sweep. River Birches are beautiful, multi-season trees. Their peeling bark is a big plus, and the grace of the trees swaying in the breeze is one big reason they are so popular. They are fast growing, and in this case, they tend to be brittle because of it. Expect alot of limb drop in high winds or ice storms. Although most people think of them as small trees, at least some of them can surprise you and get to be quite large. Be sure you know what you are buying. Also, in very moist soil, they can become invasive. I have planted several Red Maples over the years and have a very hard time getting them to establish. This may be because of my incredibly tight clay. I don't know. Check around with folks in your area before plunking down your hard earned money. Most maples are notorious for having very......See MoreRecommended deciduous privacy trees?
Comments (18)Not all conifers have the same 'look & feel.' Compare: 1.) A common pine tree of some sort. 2.) Colorado blue spruce. 3.) Boulevard False Cypress. 4.) Golden Hinoki False Cypress. 5.) Arborvitae (most any; say Emerald Green if you need a named cultivar, or maybe Green Giant). Each of those plants has a drastically different leaf look & feel, and the form of the tree can vary a good deal. I don't think most any tree is going to rapidly shoot up to 20 feet, stop, and be strong wooded. Some holly trees are another evergreen option for people who don't like the 'conifer look.' Some magnolias dump a bunch of big leaves that aren't real attractive sitting on a lawn; something to think about if you consider a row of them. Do you need all one species? I've read black gum grows slow, but mine (I think Wildfire, with pretty reddish spring growth) seems rather fast. Should get big but not huge. I've taken a liking to some Chinese (a.k.a. Lacebark) Elm, with pretty peeling back; I believe that's what I'm seeing some of at Nashville Zoo, and if you're in TN, you might check them out. I planted the 'Alee' cultivar of lacebark elm in my backyard. I like Ginkgo, but it can sit a couple of years after planting before it even starts growing, and then at a moderate, not fast, rate from what I've read. I've got 2, one starting to kick in a bit and the other slow to do much (been in the ground at least 2 years; maybe 3?). Is that fence close to the property line? Is it a big concern whether the overhead tree canopy extends much over the neighbors yard? If so, then some of the big trees with wide canopies might not be a great match. Richard....See Moregardengal48 (PNW Z8/9)
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