BlueStar RCS30 Sealed vs Open Burners
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30" Wolf GR304 vs 30" BlueStar RCS vs 30" BlueStar RNB
Comments (6)What is a "local safety officer"? What do you mean "a bunch of back and forth" with your "local safety officer and Wolf"? What prompted you to use your CO meter to test the levels? They are employed by our BC safety Authority who are the regulators for all regulated work, gas and electrical and such. As a licensed gas fitter I hold my ticket through them and they are the final say when it comes to appliance safety. Permits and approvals for equipment go through them. I chatted at length with him about the stove and he did agree we can’t do anything because it meets ANSI standards being below 800ppm, but he did say he wouldn’t have it in his house. His advice to me was if Wolf won’t do anything to then adjust the burner input by under firing the appliance to bring the CO back inline. I went to Wolf with this information and they said ‘based on your requirements I don’t think Wolf products will be right for you, would you consider a buy back’. Checking CO is very common here in Canada especially when commissioning an appliance. I didn’t mention the CO alarm going off because it never went off, however it did show peak levels in the 15-19ppm range after cooking for a short period of time. Enough to make me concerned with a pregnant wife and 2 yr old. This is what will happen if you in a room where the CO levels are 800 ppm. The ANSI standards are referring to the CO levels in the air coming out of the range vent. 800 ppm air coming out of the vent does not translate to a room concentration of 800 ppm. Especially if you have your ventilation on. Now, if you were getting 250-300 ppm where the cook was standing, that indicates a concentration of way more than 800 ppm out of the vent, and thus a violation of ANSI standards. Either way, those readings were way too high and Wolf's response was poor. Yes, I agree, somewhat. The stove should never be operating at the ANSI levels, your house would build up to a dangerous level of CO over time ie. When cooking a turkey for hours. Our utility will actually shut down any gas range over 540ppm during normal operation. Also they shutdown any other appliance if its over 250ppm while operating. I agree we need ANSI standards but as new homes get built tighter and with less makeup air having a cooking appliance pumping 800ppm at the vent/flue is insane. Consider this regulation was put in place in 1926, buildings have changed considerably since then. So, what happened when you tried adjusting it? Was 250-300 ppm the lowest it would go? That would surprise me, I have adjusted several gas ranges and have usually been able to get them down to 30-40 ppm from as high as 500 ppm. I knew this question would pop up, but yes I went through the full range of what is reasonable on a brand new appliance. Below is what I went through, to try and reduce the CO: Tested inlet pressure, adjusted within 1”wc of manifold pressure. ‘Wolf recommends having inlet pressure within 1” for proper operation’ – no change Checked flip top regulator and it was set to natural gas Checked manifold pressure on stove it was at 5”wc Verified orifice was correct as per spec sheet supplied by Wolf Adjusted air shutter, no change was actually higher and this was the lowest I was able to get the stove to run at CO tests were done after 10-15 minutes of operation and the burners were warm Clocked meter to verify burner input is correct Verified no blockage in burner tube Verified all secondary air ports were free and clear House is still very drafty, so not a lack of air within the house The only thing I never did was under fire it, as I didn't want to go down that road on a brand new piece of equipment. Wolf blew me away with their service and willingness to make a customer happy. From a cooking standpoint however, it will be Bluestar for us....See MoreBluestar rcs30sb (sealed burners model)
Comments (40)I now know more about pro gas ranges and european color palettes than I ever thought I would in this lifetime... no, I wasn't looking at unusual or custom paint formulas. BS has up to 750 (I think) with the extended RAL colors, plus custom matches, but there are 190 colors in the basic RAL palette. I was looking at those. The custom color body in a standard RAL # was quoted at $1250. Trim (knob rings, pulls) in another metal are $650, and colored knobs are $400. So, you can see how it mounted up. I have a custom tile mural backsplash so I thought it would look nice to tie one of those colors. Just a mock up design below. But, I digress... I am satisfied with the SS and a splurge on a color for the knobs. It will still pop. Best news of all (shhhhh don't tell anyone), my sales rep said order the RCS and if I want, they'll upgrade a couple of burners for me later no charge. Now I can't beat that deal! And, sounds like I could swap out a door for color one later down the road too if I want to upgrade. Never occurred to me. Crispy transcendent mushrooms are on their way! You guys are awesome. :-)...See MoreAnyone with a BlueStar 36 inch RCS Sealed Burner Range?
Comments (32)The glowbar igniters are a really old and proven technology. You'll find it in lots of gas appliances (e.g. water heater, furnace, ovens, ...) as they are so safe. Whenever the thermostat calls for heat, it turns on the igniter. As a first approximation, a glowbar igniter is the same thing as an incandescent light bulb without the protective glass shell. It draws a couple of hundred watts and uses that to produce heat. Right next to the glowbar is a temperature activated gas valve. As long as no heat it produced (i.e. glowbar doesn't call for heat or glowbar is defective), no gas flows. This is very safe. But if the valve detects sufficient amounts of heat, it opens and gas flows over the glowbar and ignites. This is damn simple and there is very little that can fail catastrophically. So, it is inherently a safer design than using click igniters. Those are good for the stove top where a person can supervise the burners. But the oven has to work even when it cycles on/off without human intervention. The downside, of course, is that this glowbar behaves just like an incandescent bulb. Some bulbs live for decades, most live for a couple of years, and a small number dies within months. Same is true for glowbars. Nothing much you can do about it. Fortunately, they are cheap and standardized components. Every appliance manufacturer buys from the same factory. And yes, gas ovens always cycle on/off completely. There generally isn't a great way to modulate heat output. This is a noteworthy difference when compared to electric ovens, which frequently can keep constant temperatures much more easily. For many dishes, that doesn't actually matter. But there are some that do in fact cook much better in an electric oven. And I guess the reverse is true too....See MoreQuestion on 30″ CULINARY SERIES (RCS) SEALED BURNER RANGE RCS30SBV2
Comments (10)I don't think that the Bluestar RCS ranges have ever included the rolling extension rack (the RNB series does include one). You can purchase it separately: http://bluestar-store.mwrc.net/en/product.php?product_id=37709 In regard to your consideration of the Bluestar RCS sealed burner range, I would highly recommend the open burner over the sealed burner RCS. I've had the open burner 30" RCS for several years now and the burners are fantastic. Despite the lore that sealed burners are easier to keep clean, I've found the opposite to be true. I used to have a sealed burner 30" all gas Wolf range and keeping the burner areas clean was a misery. Drips land on the sealed metal pan that is right below (and touching) the burners. Because the pan gets hot, the drips tend to burn onto it. It forces you to clean almost every time there is a drip, which requires taking off the grates (large and heavy on the Wolf). On the Bluestar open burner, the drip pan is a separate, thermally isolated, pull out drawer pan that sits out of sight about six inches below the burner surface. It can also be covered with aluminum foil which can be replaced as needed (rarely)....See MoreD Kelly
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