Help! Will silencer or inline blower work for my vent hood setup???
ethancremepie
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Is an in-line blower for hood a bad idea, mounted in the kitchen?
Comments (10)many many many makes out there. Go to an ecommerce site and use key words like blower, insert, power-pack, and liner (although i always thought liners were just the thin layer of steel lining a chimney, it is a useful term and it appears to mean the motor too.) Congratulations on getting a massive hood. I think it is a great find. I'll ask you a few questions, in reverse order. What dimensions is the opening at the top of the hood? Rectangular or round? Do you know what an adaptor or transition is in terms of ducting? What duct size would you think you want to install? Before that, the big question is the quantity of air (CFM) you expect to blow. Before that, the kind of cooking you do, and whether it's for one, for two, or for a whole restaurant size crowd (i.e. many burners on high, and often). Since you have complete access to your future duct, an inline motor is an option. A good option. There is no advantage to "inserting" the motor into the hood, compared to having the motor be positioned in the duct (inline) or even outdoors on the outside wall. J, you have a good sense of what is needed. First you got a "sump" (the collector / hood / canopy / umbrella) and now you want a blower. Makes sense to me. When I list a bunch of terms as if they were synonyms, it helps you search later. Don't take any term too seriously. Below is a link to another thread where I may have confused the woman who posted her query. Too many terms. HTH -david Here is a link that might be useful: Where to find the 'guts' to fit in custom stove hood...See Morewill a silencer help my hood?
Comments (4)It would help if you could specify the space available for ducting and potential silencer. The Fantech silencer for a 10 inch duct is 14 inches in diamter and almost three feet long. The 1100 cfm inline blower is quite bulky also and requires inlet and outlet transitions. You might be better off hanging a remote on the side of the house if it's not in plain view. However, short duct runs with remote blowers can be noisy according to Wolf's literature (Wolf and Broan appear to use the same inline and remote blowers). In that case the silencer would probably help. Since you will be venting out the wall that implies a 90 deg turn for a top discharge hood. If that's the configuration you have you should run at least several feet of straight ducting before the 90 deg bend....See MoreDoes Inline blower make sense ?
Comments (14)Generally, internal blowers that are capable of high flow rates will not be quiet, although they might be tolerable. The issue is turbulence from the fan blades. The closer the turbulence is to the ear, the louder it will sound. When the duct is short, little of that noise will be attenuated if the blower is moved out of the hood into the duct or onto the roof. Also, the air moving through the baffles will make noise due to turbulence, although in my experience (with a Wolf hood made by Independent) the noise is a hiss and easily tolerated. And yes, once you have determined the actual required flow rate (90 CFM per square foot of hood entry aperture recommended) then the rated flow rate of the blower can be estimated or analyzed. If the blower chosen has a large diameter blade design and is run at lower-than-maximum speed, there can be plenty of flow at the pressure loss that results from the flow. I was recommending an up-blast style blower (which would be mounted on a roof pedestal) because such blowers can be tailored to the user's needs. A catalog cover from Greenheck is shown below to clarify what an up-blast blower looks like. (You wouldn't likely need one the size the average restaurant needs.) A company like Greenheck could advise on model selection given a desired flow rate, likely pressure loss (also a factor of MUA design), and the goal of low noise. My only concern is whether there is enough room for a pedestal mount at the edge of your roof. Ultimately, you will need (a) a HVAC person who can provide the estimate of pressure loss and also aid your selection of a solution to providing make-up air, and (b) an intelligent installer who can read and follow directions, and has some skill at adapting installations to the existing architecture. I recommend reading at least the first dozen or so pages of the Greenheck guide: http://www.greenheck.com/media/pdf/otherinfo/KVSApplDesign_catalog.pdf...See MoreThermador Range Hood Install with a Best In-Line Blower
Comments (7)Blowers built for the USA market will, with whatever electronics they might need, be designed for ac operation. Blowers that are induction motors, with or without capacitor start, use the ac directly. CFM for these can be controlled by simple circuits that chop up the ac waveform, in a sense. To my knowledge, no one uses universal motors for this function that could run directly on dc because they are noisy and big EMI generators. However, it is possible to build multi-phase motors that run on synthesized ac waveforms. For historical reasons, these are sometimes called brushless dc torque motors because they emulate the functionality of such motors, but use magnets and switching instead of a wired armature and brushes. Their electronics convert the house power from ac to dc, which is then switched at some frequency (variable) to provide ac to the motor stator coils. The rotor magnets are "locked" to the rotating waveform as the coils are energized and de-energized. So what is really needed is knowing what control is used with what motor, and whether this control can be inserted into the hood where its existing control is, or whether the existing hood control can deal with the blower motor directly. In my Wolf hood, the control is a simple diac/triac circuit that can run almost any induction motor up to some current capability. Since I have a 1500 CFM blower on my roof, obtained from Wolf but constructed by Broan/NuTone, I imagine any lesser blower of that type would run fine. If your Thermador hood has a similar setup, then I'm sure Fantech, for example, can provide an in-line motor of appropriate size and CFM. N.B. It is my opinion that the reason why my Wolf hood variable CFM does not go down to very low air flow rate is that the baffles have to have some minimum air velocity to remove grease by centrifugal extraction. My hot wire anemometer does not go down that far to measure it, but I suspect the minimum flow rate is not less than 20% of max.* In any case, my hood system is fairly quiet on max, and nearly silent on min. The reason is using a remote blower and in-line silencer (from Fantech). Bottom line: I cannot answer what Thermador does, circuit wise, but can guess that they are compatible with more than their own blowers. So the question to be asked of Broan, or Fantech, or Abakka is: Are you compatible with Thermador? If your hood includes a schematic, maybe attached inside its electronics box, then we might have more insight if you can scan it. __________________ *Edit: Reviewing the Hood FAQ, I see that I was able to measure the low speed volumetric flow. The measured value is consistent with the point of this paragraph, if not my guess....See MoreUser
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