Suggestions for best Pillar Roses, 1840
From The Floricultural Cabinet, October 1st, 1840, pp.210-213:
DESCRIPTIONS OF SOME SUPERB KINDS OF PILLAR ROSES.
By Mr. Charles Wood, Woodlands Nursery, near Uckfield, Sussex.
Trusting that the following information will be acceptable to your correspondent Azalea, I have ventured to annex a list of roses, which I can recommend with confidence.
PILLAR ROSES.
Sempervirens.
Adelaide d'Orleans,pale rose shaded.
*Felicite perpetuelle, compact cream colour.
Princesse Louise, creamy white and rose.
*Myranthus Ranunculacea, rosy light purple, elegant shape.
*Triomphe de Bollwyler, creamy shaded white.
Ayrshire.
*Rivers's Queen, purplish crimson cupped.
Countess of Lieven, cupped shaded white
Queen of the Belgians, pure white, finely scented.
Ruga, large pale flesh colour, very fragrant.
*Splendens, shaded white, globular, large and double.
Boursoult.
*Crimson or Amadis, bright velvety purplish crimson, in flower now.
*New Hybrid Gracilis, rich bright rose.
Inermis, vivid deep rose colour.
Multiflora.
Elegans, small double white.
*Grevillea Russelliana, purplish crimson and large clusters.
*Laure Davoust, changing from bright pink to pure white.
Superba, bright rose pencilled.
Musk
Princesse de Nassau, most beautiful yellowish cream.
Hybrid Climbing.
**The Garland, most beautiful, changeable, white and pink, &c., &c.
*Well's White, cupped, pure white, in immense clusters, a most rapid climber.
Bourbon.
Madame Désprés, lilac rose colour.
Hybrid China.
*Brennus, very large red.
*Blairii, No.1, delicate beautiful rose, very highly scented.
Daubenton, vivid crimson.
Victor Hugo, large purplish lilac rose.
I have ventured to suggest the names of more than eighteen, as some of the above named varieties may already be in possession of "Azalea." Those marked thus * are varieties I would beg more particularly to recommend. With respect to the beds H, E, and F, that your correspondent is desirous of filling in the autumn, and as it seems an object not to mix the classes, I would venture to recommend ten kinds of Hybrid perpetuals, for the compartment marked H; ten kinds of Provence roses for E, and ten kinds of Damask roses for F. Some of the varieties of Rosa alba are very beautiful; between these and the Damask roses I hardly know which to give the preference to, so I will annex ten names in each of the last mentioned classes, and leave it to your correspondent to choose accordingly.
HYBRID PERPETUAL ROSES.
Gloire de Guerin; this last variety is a brilliant crimson, the others vary from a pale to a very deep rich rose colour.
PROVENCE ROSES.
Adèle de Senange, large rosy blush.
Curled, bright rose, globular and double.
Duchesne, very superb deep blush.
Fringed, large rose with crested moss buds.
Monstruous or Bullée, very large rose colour, inflated foliage.
Reine de Provence, pale blush large.
Spotted, deep rose, spotted, globular, large and double.
Unique panaché, delicate white, with rosy stripes.
Wellington, large deep rose.
Wilberforce, brilliant bright crimson.
DAMASK ROSES.
Admirable blanc bordé de rouge, cream colour, margined with crimson.
Antigone, large compact vivid red.
Blanche Davilliers, fine white.
Carallie, white, with rosy centre.
La Fiancée, flesh colour shaded with rose.
La Ville de Bruxelles, large rose colour.
Lady Fitzgerald, light crimson, cupped and double.
Madame Hardy, pure white.
Painted Damask, or Leda, creamy white margined with purple.
Madame de Maintenon, rose edged with white.
ROSA ALBA.
The colours of this last beautiful section vary from white to a deep flesh colour. I hope the above list will meet the wishes of "Azalea "; should the descriptions of other kinds be required, I shall have pleasure in giving them.
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New to roses, looking for some suggestions for a few climbers...
Comments (23)You cant go wrong with pickering, what part of mass do you live in? Zone 6 Mass isnt anything like zone 6 kansas... way too long winter and freeze thaw cycles. I lived in western mass, near springfield , it was more zone 5a there... You can get away with more marginal climbers with less dieback nearer to mass coast. But you should probably stick with canadian climbers are the few rare ogr you can grow as true climbers. Great Maidens blush is a beutiful alba btw, it will grow to about 6-7 or more feet in the end, I wouldnt think it would be a great obelisk rose, well I guess with enough pruning you could do anything you really want =). One thing I would recommend, is not to get your heart set on the marginal as much... I tried a few for a few years, spent lots of money on roses that I shouldnt have. If I just stuck with alot of the hardies it wouldnt have broken the bank as much. But we all have our own pain tolerence, I know my zone 5 is as far removed as a zone 5 say in ohio as could be.. you wouldnt think so but its just our very long winters and short growing seasons. The Austins probable wont do that well in partial shade, but you can try, maybe one of the older ones like wife of bath... not as far removed from the ogr genes in them. I bet a rose like westerland would do very well for you in your zone, it wouldnt work for me, way too much dieback... Great Maidens Blush... Silverkelt...See MoreBest Roses for Pillars
Comments (2)I think Heirloom has Super Excelsa. That's a lax caned reblooming rambler, not exactly red but it would do. Crimson Showers would be nice but maybe hard to find. Have you heard of Perennial Blue? It has the same growth habit with mauve flowers. Rogue Valley has a number of these Wichurana types(now called R. Lucae)....See MorePillar rose question
Comments (9)I can say plenty about about garden structures, but someone more experienced with roses should answer your questions about the "growing". I've made rose pillars out of simple 4 x 4s. You can take a ten foot tall 4 x 4 and pound two feet of it into the ground. Using a post level (a tool that attaches to the post and costs less than $10), helps you keep the post level while you're installing it, or you can just do this by eye. I don't like using concrete in planting beds, so if I need more stability or don't want my 4 x 4 in the ground, I use a post stake on the 4 x 4, and pound that into the ground. You can get post stakes at any Home Depot. After the 4 x 4 is installed, I insert very long wood screws up and down the post on all four sides, but leave them sticking out as much as possible. These serve as anchors to grab the rose canes. A touch of clear silicone on the screw threads will keep them from scratching the canes. As an alternate, you can drill all the way through the 4 x 4 at various points and insert 20" or so lengths of rebar through the holes so that half the rebar is sticking out on each side of the 4 x 4. The rebar then serves as an anchor to drape the rose canes over. Or, you can just tie the canes to the 4 x 4 with something soft as you wind them around, but having ties showing isn't as nice looking. For a crowning touch, I use screws with hand forged fancy heads instead of plain old wood screws, and I top the 4 x 4 with a decorative finial. I have a new Claire Austin pillared right now, and I'm very happy with it. I assume that at pruning time each year, I'll need to unwind the rose from the pillar, prune back the secondary canes and any dead main canes, and then rewrap the rose on the pillar. I can try to take a picture of my pillared rose tomorrow. jannike...See MoreRecommendations for 5.5' Pillar Rose in "Ancient Roman" Garden
Comments (10)Hi Jay -- Here's the reality . . . Gallicas, Damasks, Albas, Mosses . . . The lovely old Northern European roses . . . will not flourish along the Southern California coast. God knows, you can buy them and plant them, but they will not flourish. They will bloom sparingly for one year and less with each succeeding year, and the plants will dwindle. They will suffer from fungal disease. These roses were bred, and evolved, to enjoy a period of winter dormancy, and to pop up in the spring with a huge flush of bloom. Unless you can in some fashion simulate a cold, snowy winter in your garden, you won't do well. (If you would like to re-locate to property about 75 miles inland, now . . . ) One rose, absolutely correct for the period of significance you are aiming for is 'Autumn Damask.' It was the Roman's "Twice-Blooming Rose of Paestum." Roses that were bred to LOOK like the things you like . . . David Austin's Shrub Roses do this. Some do well in Southern California. Many do not. My garden is coastal, and I can give you the names of the Austin roses which have been successful here. The best roses for your location are those with a high level of Asian breeding -- roses that evolved for warm climates, and mild winters. They do not experience winter dormancy (and in fact may bloom most heartily in that season). They will become semi-dormant in a hot, dry season. I've never seen Angel Face really flourish here. I was really charmed a couple of weeks ago by this 'Burgundy Iceberg,' (photographed at a local Convalescent Home, where we were doing a Therapy Dog visit). It seems to be just as happy here as the original 'Iceberg.' If you want to contact me privately for coastal specifics, feel free. Jeri Jennings The Heritage Roses Group Coastal Ventura County, SoCal...See MoreUser
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6 years agolast modified: 6 years agoFrom The Floricultural Cabinet, October 1st, 1840, pp.209-210:
ROSES FOR PILLARS. By Surreyensis.
Your correspondent "Azalea" asks for a list of the best pillar roses, and I am glad to assist any one in the cultivation of that queen of plants, now rendered doubly valuable by the length of time they remain in bloom; I have no doubt with care they will soon be obtained eight or ten months in the year, for their cultivation is yet in its infancy. At the head of all I place
THE BOURBONS.
Madame Despres.— I know not which most to admire, the flower or the foliage; the former is pink, equal in beauty to the Provence rose, turning off to lilac; it blooms in abundance from June to November.
Gloire de Rosamere.—Brilliant crimson, semi-double, cupped petals, with the odour of otto of roses: a most abundant bloomer.
Dubourg.—Very double, blush with a darker centre, abundant bloomer, and very beautiful.
Phœnix.—Brilliant crimson: this is quite new.
Cytherée.—Pale rose.
Millésie.— Light rose, double cupped petals.
Old Bourbon.—Bright deep rose.
NOISETTES.
Cerise.—Rapid growth, bright crimson, very late bloomer, semi-double.
Nankin.—Nankin changing to pink. Most abundant bloomer in clusters.
Caroline.—Pink, abundant and late bloomer, delicate foliage.
Andreselle.—Lilac, most abundant bloomer.
Janne Despres.—Yellow and orange, beautiful, but rather tender.
Lamarque.—White, with yellow centre, also as tender as a Tea Rose.
Yellow Banksia.—Most beautiful, early bloomer, but tender.
Banksia odoratissima.—This I have not seen bloom, but I have a magnificent pillar of it.
Camellia Rouge.—Persons are divided as to its class; bright crimson, fine formed flower.
Triomphe de Bolwyllen.—This has the appearance of a tea-rose, and I fear its tenderness also. Rivers's Caliset [calls it] a sempervirens, white.
BOURSAULTS.
Crimson, or Amadis, deep colour.
Gracilis, bright, lilac rose.
Inermis, bright rose.
Elegans, crimson purple, striped.
These are all beautiful, both in form and colour. There are besides the Multifloras, but they are so tender I suppose they would not suit "Azalea's" purpose. If his soil is light, let him plant them in November; if stiff, in open weather, in February, and put in when planted plenty of good rotten leaf mould.
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ingrid_vc so. CA zone 9