MCM Kitchen - Final layout gut check
Hey again guys! Would love a few eyes/brains on my final Ikea cabinet layout before I head over to make the purchase. For context, lower cabs are flatsawn walnut, uppers are Ikea high gloss white.
1 - MICROWAVE : I forgot to include a space for one! Am going to purchase a little sucker like this one (18" wide", 14.5" deep, 10" tall, ) and was thinking it could fit in the tall cabinet/pantry (24" wide, 15" deep)...perhaps I could leave one bottom shelf door-less and it could live there. Thoughts?
2 - UNEVEN UPPER CABS? I had the Ikea kitchen designer help lay this out, but upon further inspection now, why would my upper cabinets be uneven?
3 - OPEN SHELVING : Planning to do open shelves to the left of the window, towards the peninsula. Should I do a little strip on the right side also to create symmetry?
Any other weird things that you can see? LMK!
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Stan B
6 years agolast modified: 6 years ago
sheloveslayouts
6 years agoRelated Discussions
KD experts, would you move fridge (final layout check please!!)
Comments (6)If you click on the first link there are more pictures of the layout on my photobucket website. I am currently losing several hours of sleep over this, petrified of putting everything in and going "oh I should have put. . ." After taping everything out on the addition deck last night we have decided to shrink the main island a bit (which contains the sink) by taking out the end cabinet because it's a little tight to the slider on the left wall. I envision myself prepping for baking on the long side of the island or behind the long side if multiple preppers and prepping for rangetop on short side of island. My husband and I (hahaha, I swear if I say the word kitchen one more time to him or ask him to watch one more show on DIY because it's the perfect kitchen I might be sleeping on the couch. . .) decided to turn the second island into a peninsula by dragging it to the adjoining cabinets, and leaving the second sink in there. Knowing this, would you leave the fridge where it is (a little buried) or move it to the top left of the kitchen on the back wall? We are a family of five, multiple cooks, kids ages 6, 4, 2 who LOVE to get involved. I also want to note that I know the best place for the rangetop is on the top north wall, nice tight triangle, but the hood mantle would block a beautiful view of the swingset/trampoline/playhouse, pretty much where the kids are most of the time. We are so close, I can feel it, I think the fridge is really the final decision and I appreciate all the help!!...See MoreLooking for help with kitchen layout in MCM house
Comments (11)OK, I came up with two layouts for a first try plus 2 alternate oven/cooktop options. Layout #1 leaves the full-height wall b/w the FR and Kitchen intact. Layout #2 removes that wall. The knee wall is removed in both layouts - unless there's a crucial need for it, it's wasted space. Layout #1 has two seats at the peninsula; #2 has three seats. With at least two seats, there will be one for each child for snacks after school, for homework while you're prepping/cooking, or for helping out. Layout #1 has double wall ovens + MW Drawer. The two alternate cooktop wall layouts for #1 have a single wall oven with a MW in the oven stack. (The MW can be a countertop model placed in an alcove built into the oven stack.) Layout #2 has a single wall oven (from alternate 1a). Both layouts... Both counter runs along the wall are 3" deeper than standard (28.5" vs 25.5") with 27" deep base cabinets and 15" deep upper cabinets. Those extra 3" provide extra workspace, deeper cabinets for more storage, and help narrow the aisle b/w the two walls a little bit. I don't recommend deepening them anymore, though, b/c you then have to shorten the peninsula to compensate so you have usable aisles b/w the peninsula and refrigerator as well as b/w the peninsula and wall above. Note: I appear to have mislabeled the counter depths - the counters are 28.5", not the 29.5" that the labels say in the layouts. The Cleanup Zone is separated from the Prep & Cooking Zones. This makes it easy for multiple cooks prepping as well as allows someone to be cleaning up and loading/unloading the DW without getting in the way of the cooks. (As a family with both parents working full-time, we found that cleanup and prepping/cooking often happened at the same time.) If the DW is running, you won't have to prep over a running DW (steam venting on you while working is not fun - nor is the heat that often accompanies a running DW) There is both a cleanup sink and prep sink (you'll see why when you look at the layouts - the cleanup sink is across a 90" aisle from the Prep & Cooking Zones). The aisle b/w the Kitchen and FR at the peninsula is 43" wide. The peninsula has a nice expanse of space for school & science fair projects, baking projects, staging food for parties, wrapping gifts, other crafts and/or sewing projects. With the prep sink in the corner, two things are accomplished: keeping the main/most accessible part of the peninsula free of "obstacles" and utilizing the corner area with a sink base (both corners and sink bases are notoriously poor for storage - so combine them into one and minimize their impact!) There is at least 45" of space b/w the cooktop and prep sink (45" with DOs, 51" possible with Single Oven) The refrigerator is located so that it's easily accessible from both inside the kitchen (for cooks) and outside the kitchen (for snackers) without cooks......See MoreFinally! Dimensions for a full gut kitchen
Comments (37)Thank you, sena, for the rendering of the view. I always admire your work, and love the way we can all share ideas. My former boss used to say, "Let me pick your brain." Now that's a lovely image, lol. Meris, definitely try a mock-up as funkycamper suggested. My kitchen works well for me, and I wouldn't give up the island for wider aisles, but everyone wants your kitchen to work for you. Just because your current kitchen is not functional, don't settle for a plan that doesn't work, just to get out of there. If the aisles are too narrow, I'd shorten the island. That will leave a little less prep space, but for big things that need to spread out, you'll have the secondary prep between the clean-up sink and stove. I recently stated (can't remember which thread--could have been this one) that there is no rule that says you can't use the clean-up sink for prep--or even primary prep, if no one is helping clean up at the same time. Since your fridge is on an interior wall, you can recess it by turning the studs 90°--2" saved right there. I'd explore the option of framing it with a header, and no studs, if electrical can still be managed, and building code permits--unless you plan to have it plumbed. Also, I'd still like it closer to the end, but I'd be willing to sacrifice a little space to get it there--that 10" or so in the corner. My island hits my 30"/single door fridge at the same half-way point, so if I need to open the door all the way and take a big step back, I have room. You'll likely be making adjustments almost every step of the way--after you talk to the contractor, designer, cabinet maker, and countertop fabricator. Take your time and get it right. (Hold something back, though--you don't have to tell them that you've been to GW, right away.) ;) google search--recessing a fridge...See MoreDouble check my kitchen layout please
Comments (18)Scone911, I think our requirement is an air admittance valve, but I will double check - thanks for the reminder/heads up! Funkycamper, that south wall actually only has about 6' of wall on the right-most side. The rest is open. Thanks for the suggestion though. :) As and you'll see below I totally took mama gooses' and your suggestions to move the DW. That said, I've revised the plan based on feedback received (again, thank you all!!!). Reduced the width of the tall cabinet and moved the microwave to an under cabinet position. Dishwasher is now to the right of the main sink with a 30" drawer for plates to the left. Beverage fridge is now in the island (which I forgot to center to the range - this will be done). I also reduced the width of the two upper cabinets on either side of the range hood, gave them glass fronts, centered them over the lower cabinets, and corrected the heights. What do you guys think now? Better?...See Moresheloveslayouts
6 years agosheloveslayouts
6 years agolast modified: 6 years agoI went ahead and assumed you had 13x13' to work with based on the squares on your plan. I suggest this:
If you'd like to know the function and reason behind moving the fridge read this: http://ths.gardenweb.com/discussions/2699918/looking-for-layout-help-memorize-this-first
You'd get more counter space and storage space in your prep area near the sink and range rather than across from them over on a peninsula. Probably more than what I guessed you have here.
I think an exhaust hood should have some breathing room on either side. Note: the handle on the right upper cabinet should be on the left side, you want to be able to easily reach in there while you're at the stove.
Island has utensil/glasses/dish storage--an 18" trash/recycle bin (this is the perfect size to hold two of the tall black bins)--a microwave shelf in a base cabinet (if you don't need the shelf it's easily converted to 24" drawers.
sheloveslayouts
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6 years agolast modified: 6 years agoA G
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cpartist
6 years agosheloveslayouts
6 years agoA G
6 years agolast modified: 6 years agosheloveslayouts
6 years agolast modified: 6 years agoWhat's happening in this corner?
Are you moving the doorway that goes toward the garage?
Are you widening the opening between the kitchen and the living/dining?
sheloveslayouts
6 years agosheloveslayouts
6 years agoIn your Ikea plan, the kitchen is 20' wide, but in this drawing it's 22' 5/8" can you verify the width of the kitchen as well as the size and location of the slider?
sheloveslayouts
6 years agoNote: there's seems to be a rogue post stuck to the left of your sink in the plan you linked to. If you proceed with the planner's design, you might ask them to remove that:
sheloveslayouts
6 years agoHere's my attempt at your kitchen with better (maybe) dimensions :-)
A few thoughts:
36" base cabinet and 18" trash/recycle are in the island. A 5-10-15 cabinet is great for storing utensils in the top drawer, plates/bowls/glasses in the 10" drawer (that's what I have.)
I have 10-10-10 base cabinets and 5-10-15 base cabinets in my kitchen. I regret the 10-10-10s. Unless a person's cabinet fronts are in full view in a modern space I would not do anything other than the 5-10-15; IMO they're the most functional YMMV.
I wouldn't get hung up on symmetry/balance other than maybe the upper cabinets around the exhaust hood.
The sink is kind of centered on the left panel of the window. IMO, centering the sink on the window is unnecessary and scooting it to the left 6" or so gets you a nice big 36" base to the right of the sink.
You're getting a single basin sink, right? There was a double basin sink in the ikea plan.
If you don't use the microwave very often, it makes sense to have it on an open shelf in the pantry. it's doesn't have to be behind the door. Your Ikea person should be able to hack a high cabinet in some way to have one exposed open shelf if that's what you want.
A G
6 years agosheloveslayouts
6 years agoA G
6 years agoI think I'm going to cut off the hearth bench - Prob will never use it and it kinda gets in the way now. Was super inspired by [this kitchen[(https://www.houzz.com/photos/midcentury-in-midtown-midcentury-kitchen-phoenix-phvw-vp~25325353) and you're totally right...feels like it could be really beautiful and flowy in our space.
Thinking of something like this (And nixing the other table in the kitchen): https://goo.gl/19GBeR.
Entire room - 22 5/8" (Should be...not sure why ikea designer put 20")
Glass slider to outside - 96" wide x 80" tall (This sits about 24" in - See image)
ISLAND - Perhaps around 10 feet long, and could use a 24" + 15" cabinet as the base.
Yes, moved the doorway to the garage and mud room and removed those strange corner cabinets. I really appreciate you helping me and would love to give you a fun present in return :-)
A G
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