Own root vs grafted: are my plants going to die?
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Louise Odier: Own Root vs. Grafted?
Comments (27)Here in Europe 95 percent of all roses sold are grafted plants. Probably 99 percent in this country are grafted on multiflora rootstock. I have never had one of my roses grafted on multiflora rootstock, make multiflora suckers!!! I have only seen it happen to 2 roses among the tens of thousands of roses I have seen. Perhaps Louise Odier is one of these roses that do equally well own root as grafted? It is my observation that own root roses in general takes longer time to get established, but once established they are just as good as grafted roses, sometimes even better depending on the cultivar. The discussions about own root vs grafted roses basically comes down to whether a rose grow well own root or better as grafted plants. My Louise Odier roses (grafted plants) grow so well!!!! Both as climber (on a wall support) picture taken in spring so you can see how I trained the canes. It has gotten HUGE during this summer and needs training before winter comes. It will bloom spectacularly next summer. And kept rather low (4 feet high and 3 feet wide) by hard pruning : Louise Odier as low climber in a sheltered spot to the right of door. Louise Odier grown as rather low shrub/bush:...See MoreGrafted vs Own Root after winter
Comments (30)Each region of the country is a little different.. From wasted amounts of dollars in north east, I can tell you, that HTs, floribundas, grandiflorias, etc.. just do not hack it year after year.. Sure with deeply buried grafts and some winter covering, they will last longer, but after trying dozens of these varieties, I found one that did OK in my zone and that was Sunset Celebration, that would typically have around 6 inches of cane left, it did very well for 4-5 years and wasnt a complete blackspot disaster as well. Granted I havnt tried every variety, but where I had them was basically in front of the house at the time, I just wanted lower bushes becuase the windows were not high there. No worries there as they never got above 4-5 feet max in any giving year. I tried alot of the popular ones, ala Oklohoma, Mr Lincoln, Double Delight, Sunset Celebration, Christinan Dior, I cant really remember all of them now, Oh I know I had a Queen Elizabeth in there as well. I tried alot more including stuff like Victorian Spice. But I couldnt picture not buying repeat flowering varieties at the time.. I pictured dozens of blooms throughout the season. I spend hundreds of dollars on these.. none of them lasted more than 4-5 years really. Then I discovered gardenweb, I also relized that my garden season is pretty short, mid june to late august. A OGR rose that blooms for 4-6 weeks can be a third of my season. Alot of these also are highly fragrant, BS resistand and hardy. I basically order 4-5 hardies now and a couple of moderns a year or remonont ones that I try to keep alive. Even though I had very good success with Austins in my zone 5a (close to 4b garden) , they hated my move to my new house, I lost alot of these for some reason.. even though I didnt lose a one of my OGR's the austins after transplant just shrivled and died on me, except for the hardiest varieties, they all appears to have survived in thier pots covered over winter, but I guess they just didnt like it. Bucks did nothing for me, I tried over a dozen of these that died as well.. The one caveat is I didnt try some of the hardiest ones like applejack or quiteness, basically becuase I had two dozen austins at the time , alot were already pink or pink blends and I didnt see room on adding these. I tried all of the blends that looked nice to my eye, and they all died, winter sunset, prarie sunrise, harvest, honeysweet... etc.. none of them made it here. Its up to you, but to me, plant where you live, if your willing to take the losses, plant what you like. But there are hundreds of different roses that are hardier than HT's that have great form and fragrance, including OGR's and some modern shrubs. Silverkelt...See MorePlant size-Own root floribunda vs grafted
Comments (3)In the case of your New Generation own roots, I'm fairly sure the varieties chosen to be grown on their own roots are selected because they perform equally well grown that way. You may have to wait a year or two for them to catch up, but they will catch up. I have an own root Outta the Blue planted this year. The budded plants were easily twice, if not three times as large by this point in the growing season. I'm not worried. It will catch up and probably surpass its budded brethren. I have a number of roses both own root and budded. I'm one of the contrarians who see occasional differences between own root vs. budded plants. In my experience, many roses do end up being identical. But there are roses that benefit from being "pushed" by rootstock and/or from the limitations that a bud union presents to producing multiple basals. I wouldn't say this works across the board, by any means. From time to time I see real benefits from budding, including larger bloom size, larger plant size, and vigor in certain weak growers. I also see the reverse, where certain rootstocks inhibit or adversely affect growth habit. These are often complex, very hardy hybrids budded to Dr. Huey. They might be fine budded to R. multiflora....See MoreGrafted vs. Own Root
Comments (10)This is and always will be the eternal debate. Everyone has different growing conditions so what I think is great might prove to be a dog for you. I think a lot of northern growers like own root better because our roses can and often do die back to the ground in the winter. With own root roses you don't have to worry about losing the graft and ending up with root stock instead of your chosen variety. Own root roses are slower to mature, that's true, but they do catch up eventually. And yes, there are some varieties that are terrible on their own roots. They are just such weak growers on their own but do fine when grafted to a stronger growing root stock. I've found though that those roses don't tend to winter very well for me anyway and soon die. In places like Florida own root roses don't succeed because of the nematodes in the soil so they have to have grafted roses. But then they don't have as great a problem with wintering. That's why you see varieties offered both own root and grafted. And the choice of which root stock is another big debate, Dr. Huey, Manetti, R. Mutliflora or Fortuniana (and there are others). They all have different characteristics that make them good for one place and maybe not for another. That's why it's a good idea to talk to other rose growers in your area and see what they like and does well for your area. Or experiment with the different ones yourself and see what you like! I have heard several people in cold zones say that once they get Fortuniana roses through their first winter they grow great even though it's thought to be a warm zone root stock....See Morezack_lau z6 CT ARS Consulting Rosarian
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