Sandy, I'm getting a "this file no longer exists". Since you are using Photobucket. If you will, in the body of your message, click on TAG in your Photobucket album (just click on it, no need to do anything else like copy it), and then go back to your message, right click and then hit PASTE, you'll get about 4 lines of what looks like gobbledy gook. However, when you then click on "Preview Message", you'll see your photo appear in the bed of your message. Took me FOREVER to learn how to post images. I'm sure everyone here thought (and they were right) that this was a technologically challenged person! LOL! I wanna see your SBST photo, though! Susan

Look at Bmorepanic's layout on Fri, Mar 12, 10 at 12:09; it has a similar layout for a range on that wall...only with more work room. You really need more than 12" next to a doorway for safety's sake. While 12" may be Code, that doesn't mean it's best, especially if you have/are planning to have gas. There also isn't much workspace room overall next to it...I know it's better than what she currently has, but that doesn't mean it's enough or that it can't be even better. Another consideration...be sure to have at least a 24" overhang if you have the range (or cooktop) in that location. I do not recommend seating behind a range or cooktop, but if you insist on doing it, at least make it safe! Venting will also be an issue...for truly adequate venting, you need an overhead range hood...in this case, you'll need an "island range hood". [The majority of downdrafts are ineffective. Telescoping downdrafts are better, but then you have a vent in front of anyone sitting there and it's only effective for items right next to it and shorter than it by several inches.] About island range hoods... First, island range hood's are more expensive than wall hoods. Second, an island hood will hang down in front of anyone working or sitting there, will block the view to/from the DR & Kitchen, and will put the noise of a hood in your visitor's ears...and if you put in a raised bar, it's even worse b/c your visitors will be sitting another 6" higher and closer to the hood. Third, island range hoods need to be larger and/or stronger than wall hoods b/c of the increased air currents...meaning more $$ and more noise. Noise can be cut down by getting an even stronger hood and running it on low, but that adds yet more $$$ Fourth, that hood hanging down will most likely be a "commanding presence"...unless you get a low profile hood (meaning a thin hood) and/or glass (which means cleaning it often)...but those hoods have even less capture capability b/c there's no place to trap smoke/steam/grease/odors/etc. for venting out...so that means an even larger hood and more power and probably mounting even lower. IMHO, it's made even worse b/c the area is so small...a large hood will overwhelm that small peninsula. There are three main differences b/w BmorePanic's layout & JohnLiu's: Seating on the DR side of the kitchen. Is there room to take 24" of counter + seating space out of it? I can't tell from the pictures. Refrigerator location...I like John's location better b/c it puts it on the periphery and allows outsiders to get to it w/o interfering with those working in the kitchen DW location....I like Bmorepanic's better...it keeps the DW out of the Cooking Zone and out of the best Prep Zone...also across from the range. Why is that the best Prep Zone? Two reasons: (1) Because it's directly across from the range so going back & forth is easier and (2) It's out of traffic coming in/out of the kitchen. ...

I want to thank everyone for their help and for encouraging me to get rid of the old pantry wall. That has made for much better layout of the space. I think I need to change the title now though, it's not so tiny and cramped now. LOL We've been busy and the offending wall is now gone. =) The bedroom door has been moved to the living room wall. We have been able to move the woodstove over against the right wall using some elbows in the stove pipe. What do you think of the following layout? (the 10ft. wall is not built, all other walls and doors are as shown) I like the booth type seating, which will probably be 2 benches and a table. I have moved the freezer to where I had the fridge since it was in the pantry. Then moved the fridge next to it. (It would be recessed into the wall behind so would not stick out quite as much as shown.) Pantry storage will be replaced by the cabinets next to the fridge. Microwave would sit in that area too. It gives us more wall space in the living room. I know it sounds weird, but we are mountain bikers and need some wall space for bicycle storage. =) Yes, they live in the house. LOL Let me know what you think!

BB, I was just thinking of posting an update, so perfect timing. Yes the blasted post is gone baby gone! Here is the bathroom layout that ended up working the best after mocking up several different configuration. I actually will be able to fit up to a 48" vanity. The vanity and toilet bump back into the bedroom wall. Shower opposite with angled wall toward the entry to it. I am loving it! Ecko has already made herself at home on my couch mock up! This view is taken standing at front door. Here is the new bathroom layout. That line in front of vanity and toilet is that header beam above. I'm thinking about a flat ceiling with soft lighting over that area. But on bedroom side, that wall will go straight up to the angled ceiling. TV is going there. Not quite centered to bed, but good enough. Still a lot to do, but we are thrilled with everything. Everyone who sees it wants to move in! Thank you my GW fam! Pretty soon, I will be asking for finishes help!