Malcolm! Souvenir de Pierre Notting vs. Flamingo Gardens Tea
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Comments (9)If/when you find out its real name, please let me know! Here's the history of this rose, quoted from an article I wrote for the Heritage Rose Foundation newsletter, years ago: âÂÂFlamingo Gardens Tea.â This is a favorite Tea in the Florida Southern College rose gardens. The bush is typical of Tea roses, perhaps somewhat more compact than average. The flowers are a bit more yellow than âÂÂSafranoâÂÂ, often with a bit of pink or orange near the tips of the petals. They are substantially larger than âÂÂSafranoâ flowers; more like those of âÂÂCatherine MermetâÂÂ, quite double, and with a nice, spiral form. At the 1992 HRF meeting held in Lakeland, none of our attendees recognized this rose as a known, identified variety. [numerous Tea rose experts were there,including Philip Robinson, Gregg Lowery, Ruth Knopf, Charles Walker] The rose has an odd history. In the mid-1980s, we were given cuttings of a collection of roses brought from Barbados by Prof. Al Will, of Broward Community College, which he had given to Flamingo Gardens, a botanic garden/tourist attraction near Fort Lauderdale. Most of those roses turned out to be common heritage roses -- âÂÂDuchesse de BrabantâÂÂ, âÂÂOld BlushâÂÂ, etc. But we had one plant on that bench that we labeled âÂÂFlamingo Gardens Tea.â When I realized what a nice rose it was, and one with which I was unfamiliar, I asked Prof. Will, as well as the curator at Flamingo Gardens, about it. They both agreed that neither of them had ever seen that rose, had never grown it, and certainly did not give it to Florida Southern College! So itâÂÂs always been a mystery -- Where did it come from? How did we get it? How did it get to be on that bench in the greenhouse, among the Barbados plants? Why did we label it that way? No one knows or remembers. Nevertheless it is a great rose, and we think it should be grown anywhere Teas thrive!...See MoreSouv de Pierre Notting
Comments (23)I think SdPN has one of the all-time loveliest blooms. I wanted to grow it in the same area as Rosette Delizy and Mons. Tillier (Archduke Joseph). But it won't live here. I've tried three times, and it stubbornly refuses to grow for me. Now, I'd not paid attention, but now I know it is a child of Marechal Niel, I understand why it won't grow here. It doesn't like my climate or my conditions. None of those heat-seeking yaller Tea-Noisettes do, and apparently the curse is carried to the second generation. But, Sherry, YOU have heat. It should LOVE your garden! Jeri...See MoreWould like some advice on teas/chinas in the uk
Comments (50)Ugh just had a long update/ coment eaten by the posting gremlins. Will try again with more info later. Later, with added commentary. Le Vesuve. This rose (by tape measure, not by eye) is 4ft 9 by 4ft by 3 ft vertically. So far, no signs of mildew! I'm very happy with it size wise for a first year rose - there are supposedly much hardier roses in my garden that have done less with more, so as to speak. General Schablikine This one has stayed a small hummock, but with one comical 3ft cane. According to "Tea Roses For Warm Gardens," this is it's habit when it's immature so I'm not too worried. It is paler than the others, almost chlorotic looking, and I wonder if it might want an iron/seaweed tonic dose. Mme Anoine Mari. I begin to understand the accolades this rose has; although a little lopsided, it's slowly, gracefully branching out to just under 3ft in all directions, all the while clothed in glossy dark foliage. Mutablis Best freebie EVER. It blooms and grows and blooms and grows, staying shapely and well foliated. Gruss I haven't a new picture of. It's spotlessly healthy and about 4ft tall, but only 18 inches wide. very much looking forward to it becoming established. Both the Ladies H, truck on serenely. They bloom and grow and bloom and grow, more or less continuously. The potted climbing version needs a bigger pot and a less lacksadaisical waterer, but carries on regardless. I do see the plaint about the dead blooms, but it's nothing like the mummified horror that is Alchymist so I can overlook it easily. Also the are both spotless, huzzah, a non sprayed yellow rose in England in September that is NOT imitating a Dalmatian. Leonie Viennot is HUGE - 6ft of growth on every cane. However, it's shown some tendency towards mildew, BUT it's potted and immature. I really need to make a call on a permanent home, but the potential mildew is making me hesitate. Not that it actually is mildewed, just the leaves are crumply like it's GOING to mildew, but never quite gets powdery. It's a dilemma. Latest garden addition (bit scruffy, I haven't finished planting!) Based on how happy I've been with my experimental roses, I'm going to push the boat still further, and try some more teas, chinas and maybe a tea noisette or two. Blush Noisette is bidding fair to be one of the best roses in my garden in a quiet sort of way. Really charming. I'm hoping it's not an outlier! The Perle D'Or I mentioned up thread will be ready this autumn, (although Arethusa is apparently not wanting to play) and I am contemplating Duchesse D'Aerstadt as replacement for the horrible Alchymist, which nothing I can do makes happy. Mme Jules Gravereaux/ Celine Forrestier for the arch, Alexander Hill Gray, Anna Olivier, Clemetina Carbonieri, for the yellow /orange beds and last but not least, Homere and / or Hume's Blush/Odorata to replace Eglantyne. Any thoughts? Guesses as to sizes? My baby Vesuve is already about as big as Beales thought it would top out at, so much for that estimate!...See MoreAt What Stage Is Your Garden?
Comments (34)I can't remember not gardening, but have been gardening here for 20 years, however, the garden is new. For the first 17 yrs. or so, we had deer, and my roses never got more than a foot tall. I planted small ones, large ones, and climbers all close together because I knew none would ever get very large. Sometimes, they were only a few inches tall. I was crazy to keep buying roses, but I had succumbed to whatever it is that keeps us all doing this. I saw very few buds and almost never a bloom. I used every deer deterrent, commercial and homemade, known to man. Those first roses go back 20 years. Three years ago, I got wise and installed deer fencing - the only deterrent that works here. Those old roses absolutely burst with new growth and everything was too close together and climbers had nowhere to climb. We've expanded the garden a lot since then, and the second half of my roses are all new, 3 year olds or newer. I had always wanted enough roses to cut for the vase and to give big, luscious bouquets to friends, and now I can do that, but it's still hard for me to cut them. I think they look best on the bush. And, as others have said, thank goodness for these forums. There is always something new to learn....See Morefig_insanity Z7b E TN
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Lisa Adams
6 years agoingrid_vc so. CA zone 9
6 years agoLisa Adams
6 years agoThe sun is already bright, so I hope these turn out. I got out a bit late this morning, and my iPhone takes better pictures early and late in the day.
No salmon colors here. Lisa
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Sheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
6 years agoLisa Adams
6 years agoStrangely for So Cal, it is overcast today at 10am. My iPhone takes better pictures without glaring sun so I will take just a few more. Forgive me, it's not often anyone asks about this one, and while I have it blooming. I had some palm trees removed several months ago and thought this rose was a casualty. It has come back as if nothing happened to it. I thought teas didn't like to be pruned, and this one was broken to the ground level. A determined rose I think. As strange as is sounds, I have not yet killed a single rose, not even when I've tried to remove it.(brilliant pink iceberg) Must be my climate? I digress, here are some hopefully better pictures of Flamingo Gardens Tea. Purchased from Angel Gardens.
Sorry, I see that the one below is a double. I don't know how to remove it. L
AND I have to admit that as the blooms age I see a little bit of salmon color. Some of it is little specks that could be thrips or water spots, but I'm not sure. Sheila, my apologies. You may have seen what I did not. I'll try to get a good picture of a bloom with a bit of salmon coloring in it and then you all can decide if it's damage or true color. Lisa
Lisa Adams
6 years agoHere are some specks of salmon.
The back side of this cluster isn't pretty, but it shows way more salmon than I realized. Gotta love those red stems though!
Not very clear. I was hoping to show some of the bugs inside that are causing damage and discoloration. Lisa
fig_insanity Z7b E TN thanked Lisa AdamsSheila z8a Rogue Valley OR
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catspa_zone9sunset14
6 years agolast modified: 6 years agoThat type of brown/red discoloration on outer petals is fairly typical of both Etoile de Lyon and Souvenir de Pierre Notting when there is any moisture in the air AT ALL here -- both of those yellow teas look their best when it's like 100 degrees F and no humidity whatsoever. Both are also only really yellow (like your Flamingo Gardens, Lisa) in cooler temperatures (e.g., first flush in spring), or if you cut blooms and bring them indoors -- once summer heat sets in, the color of Souvenir de Pierre Notting is usually like the photo below, take July 29, 2013. (Etoile de Lyon just goes creamy-white in the heat.)
Lisa Adams
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