Souv de Pierre Notting
sherryocala
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Souv de Pierre Notting and etoile de lyon
Comments (3)Sonbie -- This was in the A.C. Postel Garden, across the street from the Mission? Up near the eucalyptus, by the stone wall? If so, it SHOULD be 'Etoile de Lyon.' I planted those roses, and though it was a long time ago, I don't recall SdPN being there. But I AM positive that EdL was there. Here is a very poor photo of Etoile. It's only beginning to open, but you can see the color of the rose -- NOT the coppery color of SdPN -- and the look of the leaves. The leaves are an important clue, because they're quite distinctive, or so I think. Jeri...See MoreDo you garden in neutral pH & which Teas & Chinas are happiest?
Comments (11)Berndoodle, *** I assume you've dug down 6 or 8 inches in the soil about a foot out from these roses and tested the dampness of the soil? I will dig down and check for dampness. All the roses get the same watering (more this year than last) and lots more rain this summer than last. *** What else do you know about your soils? Compacted? Organic matter content? Organic matter in the soil acts as a warehouse for nutrients and moisture. Organic mulch... The original ground is mostly very compacted gray sandy stuff with limestone rocks and strands and chunks of white clay. I dug down to about 15", removed half of it and all the rocks and 90% of the clay, replaced it with bagged topsoil & composted cow manure, pine fines & composted horse manure. In May I mulched with newspaper (long gone), CHM and pine straw. When I removed Duchesse de Brabant, I was amazed by the thick roots that went pretty much straight down. A couple of them were 2.5 feet longer where they broke, so they're going down into native ground which is yucky. And who knows what THAT pH is! My amended soil was in the range of 6.8 to 7.0, but I haven't checked it recently. All the roses get the same treatment, but some are reacting differently. Last year in his first summer Mons Tillier was well foliated and wonderful. This year he's huge (6+ x 6) but almost no leaves inspite of more water and MiracleGro in August, September & early October. (Thanks for the suggestion, Taoseeker.) His roots have to be deep down is the crummy stuff by now. On the other hand LeVesuve is in a bed that probably didn't get as much good stuff to balance the awful native stuff as MT did, and it's lush and blooming big (but no where near as tall as MT since he was moved this March.) Anna Olivier is located in or very near the road bed (really crappy stuff almost like hardpan) prepared the same way but she's beautiful and lush. Saldut, my azaleas grow better in builder's sand than the native soil, but all the builder's sand is gone. Ann, if it were just water that would be an answer anyway. The last several days I've been watering daily by hand but not heavy with the hose. It's been very dry since summer ended 10 days ago, plus some areas need more mulch. When I check them down at 6" or 8" depth, I'll know if I'm watering enough. Old Blush is surviving but that's about it. She's looks like she should be living in an abandoned cemetery. Even though my pH near the surface isn't real high (high enough that multiflora-blooded roses don't like it), these roses are supposed to like pH around 6.5 or less, right? So I was wondering if they really hate putting their roots down in the deadzone below. My theory is that for the first year they're loving my amended soil; then after that they're suffering in the native stuff. Sherry...See MoreWANTED: Souv. de Pierre Notting
Comments (0)Does anyone have one of these to trade? If you do I will go out and make a list for you of the roses that I do have.. I have several that I can part with. Thank you, Marleah...See MoreWANTED: cuttings of Souv de Pierre Notting
Comments (0)If there is a chance you have some that you can share with me (grin) I have LOTS of roses to choose from that I can exchange cuttings with you for :) We should be having our first flush here in about 3-4 weeks I am guessing so I would have lots to send after that date. Please email me direct bluesclooo@aol.com if you have some cuttings you can send and we can discuss the rose cuttings I have to exchange. My list has changed considerably (the one on my trades page and I haven't updated it yet). Thanks, Marleah...See Moreremontant
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