Gloire de Ducher : any roses of similar colour?
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Comments (10)Thanks everyone! It seems like I should do Mme Berard and Pierre de Ronsard, then! I was keeping a few climbers in the ghetto to see how they performed and to let them grow up a little bit. My thought was to, in a couple years, get a pergola for the back of the house, so then whatever climbers I still liked could be on those. ALSO, if I move Mme Berard to the arbor (not pergola), then I have a spot by the guest bedroom window where a rose that was beautiful but had thick canes could grow up the back of the house (full sun). If I worked at removing a few of my patio stones, I could also put a rose climbing up the back of the house by the kitchen window. (though it might be shaded by a pergola eventually, so I'll probably wait on that.) My only concern is... Maman Cochet cl. and Alchemist are throwing up canes. ***** HOW LONG do I have before those canes are too stiff to train? Can I wait till next year? or will they be hard by then? I was thinking it would take a while for them to be big enough to train, but they're growing faster than the other climbers I have. I actually have two Alchemist, because I got a little tiny one, and then I got greedy and got a larger one with my ARE order at the last minute thinking it would get big faster... but even the little tiny Alchemist is throwing up canes. hahah.... XD.... It's a gorgeous rose. I saw it at Descanso, so I don't really mind,... but geee!!!...See MoreGloire de Dijon
Comments (52)Noisettes and Teas and their ilk sometimes get into a mood of doing absolutely nothing for several years . . . and then spring into vigorous growth. For just two examples: My 'Desprez à Fleur Jaune' simply sat for about five years . . . and now blooms all the time with branches which reach about twenty-five feet, all told. My 'Général Galliéni' plant as received could have been covered by a slightly large teacup, and remained that size for about three years; now it is a massive bush seven to eight feet tall and twelve feet wide. 'Gloire de Dijon' may be said to be the rose which first piqued my interest in Old Roses (from a picture in a Sunset Magazine rose book), and so I have special affection for it. My first plant of it came from Roses of Yesterday and Today, on whatever stock they used. For about two years it thrived and bloomed ceaselessly. In the third year, it began to decline as a plant, but still blooming and blooming, and it was rather melancholy to see it wanting to bloom so much as the plant died. In retrospect, I have realized that it was one of the first victims of the Verticillium Wilt which over the course of about ten years spread and destroyed about a third of my roses. A few years later, I tried a second specimen, own-root, from another source; it was a feeble plant, and died within a few months. A few years later, I was kindly gifted a hearty specimen from another source . . . and after a year of growth, it died, again of Verticillium Wilt, which makes me think that a certain proportion of plants in commerce of 'Gloire de Dijon' are infected, and passed around because it doesn't show up for two to three years. Very newly, I now have a nice and promising plant from Rogue Valley, and am giving it every attention and care. My point is first to be very patient with Noisettes, Teas, and Tea-Noisettes--very patient as in years-long patience--and my second point is that 'Gloire de Dijon' is an enthusiastic bloomer who desperately wants to perform for us, and so merits being given every chance--and being watched very carefully . . ....See MoreGloire de Dijon
Comments (121)@frontporchfarm I moved mine (also in March) when I sold my old house several years ago. I thought it was going to be a disaster. When I dug it up, all of the clay soil fell off in big, heavy clumps, ripping off all of the feeding roots and all but two of the larger roots...which were not that large, maybe 6 to 8 inches long! I thought that was the end of the road for it, but I went ahead and tucked it into the prepared hole at my new house, kept it well watered and mulched with composted steer manure...and it went on to leaf out and bloom that summer like nothing had happened. It didn't throw out many large new canes until the following year, but it was fine, and each year it's gotten better. That was quite a lesson for me - I didn't quite realize how tough roses are until that experience. I only cut back what I had to to transport it, so there was a lot for those small roots to support, but there was no dieback. So my recommendation would be to throw caution to the wind and move it to your new garden. Surely you will do a better job of keeping roots than I did!...See MoreTradescant, Gloire de Ducher, or Souvenir d'Alphonse Lavalee?
Comments (8)I'm actually a big fan of 'Tradescant'. It climbed well for me - not a huge climber but about 6 feet tall and wide. I grew it on the East side of the house, so it had morning sun and afternoon shade, and it was quite happy with that. There was a bit of blackspot on the lower canes (which were shaded by some tall euphorbia), but the upper foliage that was in the sun stayed pretty healthy (without spraying). I did grow it on drip irrigation, though, so when the rain stopped in May / June, it didn't get any water on its foliage for the rest of the summer. I'm currently growing 'Gloire de Ducher', and it's looking plenty vigorous to me despite only being in the ground for one season. It's already thrown out a long cane that reached almost to the top of a 6 foot obelisk I plan to wrap it around. I did see a little powdery mildew at the end of the summer (on new leaves), but it wasn't terrible. At the same age, 'Tradescant' had more blooms than 'Gloire de Ducher' has had, and I do prefer the blooms on 'Tradescant', but I'm enjoying 'Gloire de Ducher', so far. Here's a photo of 'Tradescant' doing its thing: And a photo of a bloom on 'Gloire de Ducher' (in its first year, so the color may not be typical):...See More
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7 years agoChristopher's recommendation of Pierre Notting is a great one! I think the color is quite similar. Truly gorgeous in that old HP way.
Also, my Souvenir du Dr. Jamain produces colors in the range you like (but that is climate-dependent and Desert Garden noted hers is not the same shade). The color you mention is what I think of as Old HP Fine Wine. Francis Dubreuil also hits those velvety red purple notes as does Munstead Wood and Tradescant (and Falstaff at times). Rose du Roi of Commerce, too, in this climate.
Old HP Fine Wine and Gallica Purple are my swoon colors! Carol
My Francis Dubreuil
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