Beautiful! Six feet tall! I don't expect her to get that tall here, but who knows.

Thanks, Sultry Jasmine Nights!

I adore PAOK! She gets around 4 to 41/2 for me. Huge gorgeous sturdy blooms. Mine seems to repeat quick if I remember right. I cut several of her today :)

Has anyone tried growing it as a climber?

I really liked PAOK her first year..so much so I bought another one at the end of the season. She was showing signs of being a great rose...flowery, nice smelling, vigorous..but then this year started to mildew and blackspot. I put the larger one in the ground which does seem to have helped, and it flowered a bit, but its still looking rather gangly and stick like ( especially seeing its planted next to the so far bulletproof Wedding Bells ). The other one is still small and potted, it hasnt done much.

but to answer questions. no nodding or quilling noticed-

Mines quite young, so its difficult to say, but she seems to want to spread out and get big - thats why shes one of the few roses I have in the ground. Seemed quite flowery until the mildew and BS hit.

I'm running out of time and will come back later (love the beautiful photos shown here), but go with Boscobel, unless you want my PAoK. Diane

I love these pictures!! What a fabulous looking rose!!

Carol

Hi Sultry Jasmine Nights! I was wondering if Princess Alexandra of Kent was fragrant where you are? Thank you!

That's my PAoK Stump from 2017.

It took two afternoons to dig the crater that allowed me to remove (in 2017) my giant, thuggish PAoK. The photo doesn't begin to show all the roots, including the many anchor roots several feet below the soil surface. PAoK looked fine in spring and part of fall. The rest of the time she reverted to small bright coral blooms with few petals, and she wanted to take over the entire rose bed she was planted in. I have never regretted removing her, and I highly recommend Boscobel as a good replacement. Diane

Incredible job to get that out of your yard Diane. I also much prefer Boscobel tho for a bit different reasons. I planted 4 PoK behind a bench 3 years ago and besides the fact they do get eaten by the deer and slows her down, she is a mess of blackspot. If she doesn’t get better next year she will be out of here also.

sorry the weeds are happy with all the water

Saying I am disappointed is too mild. All the roses on this bed do way better than her. I really wanted to like her and her blooms are magnificent but the plant is not great.

I'm not liking the blackspot on your PAoKs, Dianela. I just feel so badly that you're dealing with this issue and the horrible loss of some of your roses to RRD. I just can't go back to that thread to comment yet, it upset me so much. I couldn't grow roses if I had to cope with these two scourges. At least there are antifungal sprays for blackspot. I would really use them if I lived in an area where there is heavy black spot pressure. But RRD--that's a whole other ballgame. Oh, and I didn't realize you had to contend with deer, too--and still grow your wonderful roses. Do you use deer repellent? I use the stuff and it helps a lot. Diane

• Thank you very much Diane. I was pretty upset over the rrv, but I feel better now I have decided to take it as an opportunity to buy more great roses. I have use some deer repellent my father in law got me, but whatever it was it did not work. Do you have something you like you could share? I would be glad to give it a try. Long term we are hoping for a deer fence around the property, but it might be a while before we get to that.
• Sorry Moses to go OT on your thread, but I know you like the ADR winners and healthy roses, PoK is NOT one of those.

What a great attitude you have because it is, indeed, an opportunity to buy some new roses, both new to you and new-new. I have all kinds of lists of roses tempting me right now. Diane

Diane - I remember that stump...didn't you get that out without a machine...just with a shovel? I can't imagine! Okay, I just read your next email...you did dig it without a machine!! What a LOT of work!!!

Dianela - Yes, I don't think I would grow roses if I had all of those problems. Kudos for you...and I hope you get your deer fence as soon as you possibly can. :) New roses!!!

Dianela, I forgot to mention the deer repellent I use. I get Deer Out as a concentrate, which you mix with water, on Amazon. Once you have found out if Deer Out helps with the deer problem, it's worth it to buy the concentrate. Start with the ready to spray form--but it won't last long and it's the priciest way to buy the repellent. I've tried a number of different repellents, and Deer Out works best in this garden. All the repellents have a main ingredient of rotten eggs. Deer out also contains oil of peppermint and oil of white pepper, plus maybe one other organic ingredient. I get this stuff on me as a blow back all the time, and it is harmless--I just stink like a peppermint flavored rotten egg. A small sacrifice for the roses--ha. You'll need a simple pump sprayer for the concentrate--just a hand held plastic household sprayer. Diane