Please, help me plan my kitchen layout.
I posted before but someone said my sketch was hard to see, so after spending the whole afternoon on sketch room I hope it is more understandable now... I am not really computer savvy:(
We are planing a full remodel, moving gas and water plumbing, moving walls, raising widows - so sink, stove, fridge placement are not defined yet and that is what I need help with.
I also want a walk in pantry where I will put my stacked washer/dryer and keep small appliances such as bread maker, electric griller, ice cream maker and the like. I also would like to keep my baking tools and dry goods in this pantry. Ideally, I also would keep my cleaning supplies there, including brooms and hand help vacuum.
I am willing to close the window located on wall B if necessary to put in stove + range hood there. I do not want to close window on wall A.
I do not want to touch the load bearing wall.
Either on wall B or C, near the DR, I would like to have a small butler's pantry to keep my wine and hard liquor (plus glasses). If it cannot be done, I can build such cabinet inside the LR (wall C, LR side).
Something I REALLY would like to have in the new kitchen is a small breakfast area - not to sit down, but where I can keep my Keurig, Nespresso, coffee pods, sugar, demi cups, mugs. We drink a LOT of coffee in this house and we are always accessing this area throughout the day.
So, if you could help me with ideas for the appliances placement and also how big to make the walk in pantry and where to put a door somewhere connecting the foyer to the kitchen, or the hallway to the kitchen or the LR to the kitchen, it would be fantastic and I would appreciate it.
Thanks!
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mama goose_gw zn6OH
7 years agolast modified: 7 years agoSena has a couple of nice options. I wasn't sure if 11.8' was actually 11.8' or 11'8", but I
settled on 11.8', or 11'9.6" for wall B, so my plan might be off a bit.
I'm more comfortable working on a grid--1 square = 6".I kept the
window on wall A, but split the windows on wall B, with the
range/cooktop between them, and put the ovens in the WI pantry. The coffee area beside the fridge is deeper than standard, pulled out even with the fridge box.The
shallow pantry for canned goods, on the weight bearing wall, is set back
into the stud space, so it would either be built around the existing
studs, or you'd need a new header--it would depend on whether reclaiming
that space was worth the effort and expense. I made suggestions for the other storage areas, but the 15" deep broom cabinet, also set into wall space, could hold pantry items or your baking staples, and the pantry cabinet across the room could house brooms, cleaning supplies, laundry baskets, a pull-out laundry hamper, etc. The two smaller pantries could also be incorporated in a wedge-shaped, larger site built pantry.The door on the side where the bedroom is located could be a slider (red line), and since there is ample floor space in the kitchen, a pocket door could be located between the kitchen and WI pantry.
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ETA, you could also have an entry closet and optional entry to the LR. In the following plan I changed the cooktop to a range, but you could use either of Sena's kitchen plans with this pantry layout. The tan boxes are optional stud-bay storage.
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Comments (17)With a big sink in the middle of an island, doing homework (and keeping it dry!) may be problematical. To me, an ideal island has as much "empty" real estate as possible...meaning no main sink or range/cooktop in the island. A prep sink will usually be OK if it's on one end of a long enough island. The "empty" real estate allows projects (school, crafts, baking) to be spread out and provides plenty of work room. With the sink (or range) in the middle of an island, you've drastically reduced the island's main advantages...large work space. Seating....you need 24" of space along the counter & 15" deep knee space per person (NKBA recommendations). Additionally, if you plan to "round the corner" with seating as you show, you need to add another 12" - 15" to the counter depth b/c two people cannot occupy the same knee space (under the counter) as you show them doing at the left corner. As it stands, your island can only seat one person on the left edge, not two. To be honest, I'm not sure you can fit 3 people along the long edge either. (I don't know the dimensions of the island for certain, but it looks less than 6' long.) BmorePanic's plan addresses most of the issues... Here's another one to consider...similar to BmorePanic's first. With the additional 5' in width, you could string more along the top wall...but I'm not sure how much it actually gains you...a bigger island, definitely. What is the layout of the entire first floor? How does the family enter the house? I can't tell what's beyond the Laundry Room & Pantry (begins with an H?) The entrances into the house as well as the kitchen can have an impact on what's the best layout. Right now, I'd really like to get that refrigerator closer to the DR & LR but I don't want the island to become an barrier island....I'll work on it some more with the add'l 5'....See MoreView my kitchen plan and help me, please!
Comments (3)The breakfast nook will be all windows, as will the north wall of the den, looking out onto the pool. That powder room you see is accessible from the outside. The stairs on the right will be the back stairway to the kids' rooms and future buildout space. (I'd rather get rid of them, but DH wants them) My current pantry is in this same sort of location, and it doesn't really bother me. As for appliances, I want a Viking sort of range- still researching brands, so opinons are welcome. The fridge will be either a freezer on bottom or separate Sub zeros. (DH wants the Subs- I think they'd eat up all my wall space.) Cabinetry will be biscuit/almond colored, so I think stainless would look best....See MoreLayout Experts, please help me sort out this kitchen plan.
Comments (12)Hmmm, that looks like a good spot for a chimney cupboard, then. I'm not sure what to think about the extra bar seating in the family room. I don't know if it would get used or not. I'm willing to do that if we'd really use it. I just went through (too many) images looking for pass through window inspiration. I'm finding very little that looks like what I'm thinking of doing. Does that make me ultra-original...or whacko? LOL So, my thought was to put open shelves in the pass-through windows and use them for storing some of my prettier functional items. Good looking bowls, canisters, etc. Or, to do glass cabinet doors, something like the article in the scullery thread a bit ago. I linked the kitchen from Fine Home Building with the pass through cupboards below. Here's one image that sort of comes close. I don't have modernist leanings (that I know of), so this is a bit off, but it's close. Here is a link that might be useful: Maybe cupboards like this in the passthroughs, with glass doors on both sides?...See MoreNot My Dream Kitchen/FR - plan & layout. Help me choose? Please?
Comments (4)I want to be logical, and not try to design my whole house around a dream kitchen, but alas, I am after all, TKO. Talk me down? I am flailing here, as you will see. I feel your pain because I'm in nearly the same position as you except it's my roof lines that are driving me batty. I've gone through countless iterations of what I want on my first floor and because I have fewer room needs than your plans shows, meaning fewer combinations, I've tried my hand at playing with orientations in order to achieve my multiple goals. What I'm finding is that no matter what I do, when I pull on the string in one place the rest of the tapestry is affected, so design, as I see it (I'm no professional) has to flow organically, one feature flowing naturally into the next. I'm sensing that you're hitting that same wall - the combination of shapes/orientations isn't working throughout the whole house. I wouldn't hesitate for even a moment in scraping a plan that you don't feel completely comfortable with and I wouldn't for a moment think that you're illogical for building a whole plan around your kitchen. I'm pretty much doing that right now. What I found was that the kitchen was the room that was/is driving me the battiest, so if I start with a blank slate (still mindful of my conditions, which in your case would be the underground garage plus other points) and then play around with the kitchen shape + workflow + adjoining rooms & features and get those issues mostly settled in the kitchen then the rest of the house can flow outwards from there. I noticed that your architects original plan had an angled section and that he put secondary rooms in there, leaving the primary rooms in the traditional square/block pattern. The square rooms are definitely easier to work with. Your attempt at a compromise put a functional room into the angled wing and this created an awkward junction between the family room and the kitchen right at the kitchen. Why not continue the angle with the kitchen included and then try to use the space where the two wings of the house meet in a way that serves a purpose. So my words of advice to you are to break the problems down into individual problems and then try to solve one at a time before proceeding to the next. Count on a 3 steps forward, 2 steps back type of process as you'll find yourself going back to what you think you had solved which now presents as a problem due to something you've just done, and then begin the process again, one step at a time. I don't know what you want to accomplish with the kitchen design, but one thing I would try is to orient the kitchen with the family room. In your crooked picture, find the point where the DR meets the kitchen and draw your 45 wall starting there. Then draw another 45 line right at your door, losing the little window wall to the left of the entry. Now the awkward angled space is right where your pantry and closets are located and it is here that you can hide the awkward space into secondary rooms. You have a lot of room to work with in your kitchen space, so mix it up, try things that you normally wouldn't, and may well reject, but try these new ideas in order to see how they play out and how they affect other aspects of your plan. Try bumpouts, try peninsulas, try a banquette, try a bay window, try an irregular shaped room (beyond just a room at a 45 angle to the adjacent room.) Most importantly though is to spell out what you want in your kitchen and which of the designs that you posted most speaks to you....See More
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7 years agolast modified: 7 years agoJade - did anyone direct you to the Layout Help FAQ? I'm asking b/c your layout is missing key measurements. See the image below that shows what's missing (the blue arrows/text).
Are the measurements feet & inches...e.g., is wall A 11'7" -or- 11.7' (which would be 11'8.4"). is wall B 11'8" -or- 11.8' (which is 11'9.6")
In all honesty, anyone who draws up a layout right now is just guessing on the measurements -- not just what the labels mean but also things like where the windows are.
Layout Help FAQ:
How do I ask for Layout Help and what information should I include?
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7 years agolast modified: 7 years agoOh, and here are some extra pics of the overall floor plan of the house (I don't think the measurements are super accurate, but to give you an idea of how the house flows currently). Plus a pic of the house plate we had made when when bought the house 2y ago.
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