Tile on Pocket Door Wall
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Pocket door assembly needs stiffing for tile installation.
Comments (8)Thanks Homebound and Aidan_m. The pictures I have included may be of no help but I've added them. Homebound, my husband and I are working on doing what you have suggested. But first we put in a 1/4"x3/4" steel strap along the studs. See picture. Then if still needs more, we will insert 3/4" ply between, as well. All this inside of the wall. Looking into the pocket: Looking at straps. The studs that are mostly visible are the near side of the pocket, while the steel is on the studs at the far side of the pocket (hidden) Aidan, I hear you about the detailing of a cabinet maker :) I like your your idea of the continuous sheet of ply. But if I am understanding you correctly, you mean sheath the entire area across the studs that create the pocket door. I can't do this with the current wall configuration because the space is built to 60" to accept my cast iron shower pan. I can add more ply between the studs on the inside of the wall by accessing the pocket from the other side. The studs with the rabbets are the studs facing the bedroom and covering the actual studs that hold the plywood that faces into the bathroom: This is the Bathroom side of the pocket door. Each stud is rabbeted out to accept the sheet of ply: I posted this question on the John Bridge forum several days ago too. There, someone suggested that I see if a tile man can take a look and possibly apply a mud wall to the scratch coat level. He thought that would make it stiff. So we are working on the steel strap business with possible insertion of ply panels from inside the wall, accessing from the neighboring room. Friday a tile man will be coming to assess the situation. I am most likely going to have him do the tiling as I have lost my nerve with these big tiles. Another feature that will help, I believe, is the frame of the shower that will house the sliding doors. Again thanks Homebound and Aidan_m....See MoreOpening a pocket door wall?
Comments (6)The take down of wall and pocket door frame was a no brainer....even with the mess. This old lady did it in 4 hours. An added bonus was finding two 2X4s on both sides of the opening that the frame was attached to. More wall supprt than expected. My friend was right, the frame was nothing more than an insert with no supporting factor. There are 2 short pieces of oak flooring needed where the wall existed and have to insert these before trim. Lucky catch at Restore/Habitat, they have some oak flooring which are already finished and match existing floor to do this. Also thinking of creating an arch to match the one in living rooom, but dependant upon my motivation during the final steps. What a difference in the layout, there is so much more light and both rooms look much larger. The kitchen is an L Shape with one full wall not being used. Before enlarging the opening there didn't seem to be enough room to utilize this wall. Now it feels like I have enough area to add a table and chairs if wanted and can see more possibilities in the kitchen layout. A separate post needed for suggestions on what to do with what I've done....See MorePocket door wall material options for tiling
Comments (2)We have installed three pocket doors. The metal-clad "studs" that come with some pocket door kits may be okay under plasterboard, but we decided the flex in them is not to our liking and is way too much for tile. On the door in the tiled bath, we purchased three floor-to-ceiling steel bars, about 1 1/2 inches wide by 5/8 inch thick, and set them against a sheet of 3/4 inch plywood with spacers (between and on both edges of the plywood wall) made of 3/4 inch plywood. The bars are held in place (in the channels between the spacers and edgers) by metal straps secured to the plywood (which is 3/4 x 2 = 1 1/2 inches thick). We raised the plywood-metal bar wall as a unit, securing it by screwing through the end tab of the plywood sheet into 2x4s at the top, bottom, and above the door track (the steel bars and plywood spacers sit on the edge of a 2x4 lying flat on the floor). We had to be careful not to screw where the metal bars were attached. This gave us the stiffness we wanted--the wall seems immovable and without vibration even when pounded with a fist. For the other two doors, we sacrificed a few inches of room space and just built a full stud wall on both sides of the door. These walls do not seem as stiff as the wall with the metal bars and tile, so we cannot say how tile would fare, but we are satisfied with the solidity of both. Because we wanted to keep the edge of the door visible when fully open (to leave the door pull visible and accessible without needing hardware at the edge of the door) the wall on one side is shorter than on the other, and the door protrudes beyond both inside and outside walls, so it does not look as massive as it might have. BTW, we paid extra for the commercial-grade I-beam pocket door tracks, which will carry a 300 pound door. Over time, the track on the base model seems to splay and cause the door rollers to bind (we have seen this even on the brand new houses of friends) but our I-beam pocket doors have been rolling smoothly for four years and counting. The cost difference is not insignificant, and we had to find the product ourselves and convince our builder to use it, but in the end, even he was impressed. All of this might have been overkill, but worrying about popped tiles, having seen many failed pocket doors, and not wanting to get into the walls again, we cried once and are very happy with the result. Hope this helps. Here is a link that might be useful: This is the I-beam track, which I think we bought cheaper elsewhere...See MoreCan a pocket door go behind a shower tile wall?
Comments (24)HI RM-there is an old thread about exactly this issue. You can search it but I found this response: MLB Design Group I am big fan of pocket doors, and frequently design them into homes - especially bathrooms and other small spaces. I always note on my plans to sheathe the wall -- both sides -- with 3/4" plywood. Usually the contractor does this onsite after the pocket door/hardware is installed. Not only does this plywood strengthen the wall, it also helps with sound-deadening. You'll need to be mindful of this added 1-1/2" thickness to the jamb, and evaluate how it impacts walls inside and outside the room. Once you have 3/4" plywood on the wall in the bathroom, you can then install hooks and towel bars depending on your plan. For a shower, your tile person will apply the water-proofing/concrete board on top of the plywood. Your plumbing lines will not be in this wall since the door will be "pocketing" into that space, so your shower head/valve/etc., will be located at a different wall. Done right, it's a great solution. Have fun!...See Morekudzu9
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