Thanks Carol....I believe you are absolutely right on both counts! Gosh...I LOVE this site! Jacki

My 'Lillian True' has a very dark green center green and outer bands of pale yellow, my 'Goldinana' same colors but shorter, and 'Black Gold' from Armstrong's Nursery here in Calif. shorter than 'Black Gold', 'Twisted Sister' mine does not twist well at all, she is almost the same but lighter, and the leaves are supposed to twist. 'Bantels Sensation' comes in three different varieties, I have only two. White and Gold with green stripes, there is also one called 'white back' which I also may have they all have very narrow leaves compared to 'Lillian True' You must be made aware that many forms, or varieties are very similar, (species look the same and takes years to see the difference), the plants must be full grown. I have 300 named species and varieties, and often I can't even find the named one that I'm looking for abd can't see the difference. Right now there is one in full flower tonight, and I can't even go into the greenhouse, I don't know which one is putting up the stink. I also realize now even the small young ones flower, it's not even full grown and in a tiny pot, I don't know why this has happened? Any input? It is welcome. The heater is on tonight it is very cold, so must take an allery pill, can't tolerate the cold. Norma

I agree with floral_uk; it does look like loosestrife. here in Oregon is is a noxious weed that carries disease. Without being able to see it up close, it's tough to be sure. It is a possibility that it might be Epilobium (fire weed), but the shape of the inflorescence leads me to believe it's Lythrum salicaria.

just a guess - an echeveria?