You can grow a hardier Non-astringent Persimmon like Chinebuli from Cliff England at nuttrees.net or England Orchard. The next best ones are Tam Kam from Just Fruits and Exotics or Ichi Ki Kei Jiro from Starkbros. Good luck.

Tony

Fuyu won't survive zone 6 winter very long.

Thank you both very much.

Thanks to this thread, I just ordered 1 Ichi Ki Kei Jiro from Starkbros. I have 1 question, can I grow this tree in a big pot on a deck? I don't want persimmon tree to attract deer. Thanks

You sure can. Just make sure the pot is big enough so the root ball does not get freeze in the Winter. Or you can also over Winter it a un-heated garage.

Tony

Summersrythem, I am glad that ordered from starkbros and not Just Fruits. I bought my Tam Kam from JF. It came looking unhealthy. Spoke to them and they asked me to try planting in the ground in spring. Few months later, still looking sad. They just wouldn't replace the tree for me. I will never buy from them again.

Thanks Tony! I will do that. I have 39 potted rose trees in the garage right now. :-)

Here is the photo of my 7 years old ten feet tall in-ground Ichi ki Kei Jiro in Z5 Omaha Nebraska. I do Winter protection when the temp dropped below-10F by wrapping it with a tarp and hang a light bulb in the center of the tree for the few -10F nights.

Tony

Sorry to hear that shp123. I bought a small one, with shipping is only $28. It's my 1st time buying a tree, thanks to this thread. I grow thorns....roses, new to trees. I picked Ichi Ki Kei Jiro, because it's Japanese, Ichi means number 1, not sure what Ki Kei Jiro means though, so number 1 must be good. You can give it a try too. https://www.starkbros.com/products/fruit-trees/persimmon-trees/ichi-ki-kei-jiro-asian-persimmon

Tony, your tree looks huge, I won't have room in my garage for that size. I guess I could plant it in the garden, the coldest temp here is -10F (by the Great Lakes in NY). I don't want deer come to my garden though, I have hundreds of roses. I'd have to grow it in a spot that deer can't find it......I have a hole on my lower deck, a big ash tree used to be there, I think I might set a huge pot in that hole, cut the bottom off, and grow the persimmon tree there! :-)

Good for you and good luck with your Jiro. Sad to say that I spent close to $100 for the tree and shipping from JF. I did buy a Jiro from a local nursery subsequently. Amazingly, I got fruits the first year!

If you grow it in a pot then it will not get that big. You can always prune the top to any height of your desire.

Tony

I think I will keep it in a pot, and move it in the garage during the winter months for a few years......,and will plant a climber rose Adam in the same pot, it will be like a rose tree that blooms all summer. Thanks! :-)

Tony, Do you grow Jujube tree? Where can I buy 1? Thanks

Here are the best fresh eating jujube varieties: Honey Jar, Sugarcane, Contorted So, Li, Winter Delight, Sihong, and Coco. Here are some of the Nurseries: Burnt ridge, England Orchard, Edible landscaping, Rolling River, Trees of Tranquility, Just Fruit and Exotics, and Bay Laurel. Honey is a must have but it is very hard to find. Always sold out first. Good luck.

Tony

Thanks for the info Tony! I found "Bare Root grafted on Jujube seeding " Honey Jar, do I need to buy 2 trees in order to have fruits?

One Honey Jar and a Li or a Contorted So to ensure cross pollination and full crop load.

Tony

Thanks a lot for your help Tony! I ordered 2 Honey Jar for this spring from Edible Landscaping, and ordered 1 Li for spring 2018. :-) I am a farmer now!

You will enjoy these low maintenance trees for generations to come. These trees will live to be a thousand years old. The oldest one in China is over a thousand years old and still producing a full crops.

Tony

Thanks Tony! That's nice to know, long lived trees! I am guessing I have to wait 2-3 years for my Jujube trees to have fruit. I don't know the size I ordered, they are $43 each: http://ediblelandscaping.com/products/trees/Jujubes/........and I hope Jujube fruit won't attract deer. I have 700+ roses, deer would eat them all in no time. It will be a learning experience growing fruit trees. I am not good at growing grapes, got black rot, I did spray once last spring with Bayer's, but they still didn't do well last year. I have to check on the forum for grapes......thanks again for all the info!! :-)

Summer,

Jujube likes heat. In your zone, plant them where they get sun all day. Some jujube like Honey Jar can fruit the same year it is planted.

Thanks rphcfb14 for mentioning that. Now I have to find 2 spots for them.....,all the sunny spots are taken by roses.....Jujube trees have to grow with ramblers. I am thinking to grow 2 Jujube trees with rebars, shape them into an arch (1 each side), this way they can grow with ramblers, an arch made from rose and fruit. That would be a delightful sight. :-)

I bought a Li from EL 6 years ago and they sent me a live tree with 5 Fruits on it. They may send you 2 live HJs. HJ usually fruits the same year or second year.

Tony

That sounds good. I will post a photo when I receive them. I have never tasted a Honey Jar Jujube, hope it's sweet and tasty. I like the red Chinese dates,

Very sweet, Crunchy, and more juice then any other Jujube varieties. The best of all the fresh eating varieties. A lot better then the dried red dates.

Tony

That sounds really good! Can't wait! Glad I bought 2. :-)

Summer,

Most fruit trees do not like to compete with other plants. That is why it is recommended to make 3-4 ft circumference around a fruit tree and mulch it to suppress weeds (don't pile mulch against the trunk, make a donut hole around it).

How close you plan to plant jujubes near your roses? You may need to remove some roses to make room for jujubes :(.

Heat is important to jujube's fruit productivity. Not enough sun, you won't get much fruit.

Oh, that sounds difficult. I have to re-think about the Jujube spot. They would look really beautiful with 2 Reve d'Or (or 2 Souvenir de la Malmaison) growing up with them, and bend over as a fruit arch.......with a white bench underneath......

http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.250221 

http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=21.33439

Do you know that many jujubes have thorns? If you want something you can bend to arch, try apples or pears. They have been espeliered for ages.

Yes, I heard Jujubes have thorns, I grow thorns-roses, so that's no big deal for me. I have 9 New Dawn, 3 White Dawn, they're known for a lot of big thorns, but they're beautiful. May be you should try one! :-) Check this out (not mine) :https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkQyt4QxtuM

We have deer nearby, I can't grow apples, pears here.

.......oops, Jujube has huge thorns, just googled. You might be right I can't bend them......

1. I was crazy about roses for several years. Then, I decided that I would rather grow something I can eat. Rose petal are edible if one doesn't spray, which is hard if one lives in a humid area.

3. in a humid area, New Dawn has black spot like crazy.

Oh, I just received a dead persimmon tree today from Stark Bros. I have to contact them. Have this happened to guys?

Update: They will ship another one out.

The persimmon tree probably in a dormant state. Starkbros don't sale live tree with green leaves thru shipping. You can do a scratch test by scratching the bark. If it is green then the tree is alive and not dead. If your ground is workable then dig a hole twice the size of the root ball and plant it now.

Tony

Tony, there is no green, it's brown, crispy.

Yes,. That top part is dead but the bottom above the graft I saw some green. I think you go ahead and plant it. It may still grow true to the grafted variety instead of the rootstock. Hopefully, the replacement Persimmon is a healthy one. Starkbros always guarantee their trees that is a good thing for Us fruit nuts.

Tony

That's nice to know Starkbros is a good company. I just planted it in a pot, put it in the basement with my roses under the lights. Hope I am not growing a dead tree. lol We have about 5" of snow on the ground, the temp is 21F, the ground is frozen at this moment. I am not a fruit nut yet, this is my very 1st fruit tree. Jujube trees are coming next week, really hope they won't be crispy and brown, they will be planted in pots too until the temp goes up to 40-50F.. Thanks Tony for all your help!

Tony or anyone, I have a question. I received my Jujube trees today. There are big trees! :-) I am soaking them in the water right now, will plant them in pots tomorrow. We still have 1' of snow on the ground, will plant them in the garden in 2-3 weeks. Is it OK to soak Jujube trees over night? That's what I do when I receive bare root roses. Please advise. They came with small amount of dirt, but most of the roots are above the dirt ( the dirt isn't dry). Thanks.

One night for re- hydration should be Ok.

Tony

Thanks Tony! Planted them in the pots first thing in the morning! :-)

The variety 'Hana fuyu' is more cold hardy and it's fruits are easily twice the size of "standard" 'fuyu'.

May I borrow this thread to ask a question about zone 5b? Our future country house is in zone 5b, there are plenty rooms for persimmon and Jujube trees. Can they take the cold in zone 5b without protection? I am planning to plant them in the ground next month. I know Tony is in zone 5 growing a lot of furits there. What should I do to protect them from the weather and black bears,deer? I can put 6' tall deer fence around the tree trunks...... or maybe I should just move some roses to the country house and make rooms in zone 6a garden for furit trees.......please let me know your thoughts. Thanks.

You can growth some of the Hybrid persimmons like Rossyanka or JT-02 from Cliff England at England Orchard. nuttrees.net. You can also put a six feet tall and five feet wide circle fence around your trees and that will prevent the deer from eating the leaves and rubbing their antlers to the trunk of the tree and kill it. Good luck.

Tony

Thanks Tony. So I need to plant Ichi Ki Kei Jiro persimmon tree in zone 6a location. What about the Honey Jar Jujube trees? Where should I plant them? Zone 6a or 5b? I have an extra dog run, it's about 8' x20'x30'', I can grow 6 fruit trees in there. Thanks

Honey Jar Jujube can handle the cold in Z5 to -20F. You should be OK.

Tony

Very good information in this thread. Tony or anyone else, I am in the colder reaches of zone 5 (previously classified as zone 4), northeast Iowa. Do most of your hybrid persimmons make it through the Omaha winters without damage? I am trying to decide whether any of them are worth trying here. Otherwise I am thinking of giving some of the American cultivars a try, maybe Celebrity or some of the other varieties from Cliff England's nursery. I fell in love with persimmons in Mississippi but obviously can't grow the kakis this far north. Tony, it seems that you are the guru for northern persimmons!

The only two hybrids that I would recommend are Rossyanka and JT-02. Grow them on the south side of your house for micro climate and winter protect them for the first season and they are good to go. If you decide to go with the American Persimmon then go with Prok and H118. They are large and super good.

Tony

Thanks, Tony. for your feedback! I thought I had replied the other day but I guess not. I do have ample space so I may try both the hybrids and some American varieties. I will report on my successes/failures.

I moved a potted ichi ki persimmon tree to the basement with my potted tender roses before the winter. Roses are growing under the lights, but persimmon won't, it's still alive. Can someone please let me know if that's normal for a potted persimmon? Thanks

Hi Tony (or anyone else who knows!)

I recently moved from zone 9 to zone 6 and left my extensive collection of fruit trees. I'd like to grow astringent persimmon here for making hoshigaki Japanese dried persimmon. Are there any astringent varieties that produce LARGE fruit that will survive here? And where I can order from? I saw starkbros have Saijo but the fruit is small.

It may need to be potted for the first year or two until I find a permanent property to put it in the ground. This last winter low temps were in the teens F generally, only a few days in single digits. So I think cold tolerant down to 0F should be ok.

Thanks very much!