I didn't realize that the Nordstrom announcement was being discussed here, so I deleted the new thread that I had started.

do you think the #grabyourwallet movement was anyway instrumental in the brand being axed from Nordstrom? I admit to never seeing the Ivanka brand, and was wondering how her sales where before the election?

Social media played a critical role in spreading the word about this campaign. Those who boycotted and made their voices heard that they were doing so got the attention.

Here's a link to the Twitter search results for #GrabYourWallet. I cannot even download all of the tweets, there are so many. In different languages, too. But they go both ways... there are boycotters of the campaign in here, too.

But yeah... pretty sure this had something to do with the Nordstrom decision.

I would hazard a guess that many people wouldn't consider half the brands at Nordstroms if they really delved into their labor and manufacturing processes. My consumer spending habits would probably mean that I would see a "Trump" label and I would think "Cheap Chinese-made goods of mediocre quality passed off as being of high value due to media hype and spin . . . pass." But I'm sure for every negative feeling her being constantly at her father's side generates, another positive one will be generated just by her being there, being seen, the photo op. Which is precisely why she is there. Which is precisely why I am appalled by the whole crass commercial endeavor.

Edited to add that I buy hardly anything at high end department stores, since most of it, Ivanka or not, fits that description. I am quite picky when it comes to buying clothes, and I get a lot of stuff at Goodwill actually. Might just as well wade through tons of poor quality stuff to find the good buys there as at the mall.

@IdaClaire - I went on a Caribbean cruise with 7 girlfriends several years ago and we met 2 sisters, our age, from Texas, who were also on the cruise. We wound up spending the week with them and they were so much fun. For some reason I always had this idea that people from Texas were just a little off the wall and they proved it.

Ivankas stuff has wound it's way to Winners in our area and still isn't selling.

Ivanka's clothing has not been selling well for at least three years. Don't know if they ever did. We have a Nordstrom Rack outlet store not to far from me and three years ago I went in to buy some cheap shirts for vacation. The further discounted racks had lots of Ivanka's clothing even then. I remember it well because it's the first time I saw her line. The designs were very cute but the fabric was awful. My thought was that she would have been better off charging more and using better fabric.

Looks like Neiman Marcus dropped her jewelry line this week.

http://www.businessinsider.com/ivanka-trump-disappears-from-neiman-marcus-website-2017-2

Not surprising, her sales have been declining for several years. Major stores on average drop 10% of declining lines to refresh. So, even if they weren't pressured she would have been dropped anyway.

I won't avoid regions because no region voted 100% one way or another so some of them, I assume, are good people.

But I will certainly take care with whom I do business. Not because I think it will change any minds. But out of spite.

As I mentioned upthread, I passed on a conference in NC, but it had nothing to do with trump, as it was before the election, it was the infamous "bathroom bill" that made me, and my former employer, pass on spending $$ in NC.

Regarding boycotting specific stores, I'm not much of a shopper, but I do like TJMaxx and am a stockholder in the TJX Companies, so I do still shop there, but refuse to even try on Ivanka's stuff (plus, it's way too young for me), and I have registered my displeasure as a stockholder. And as I have never set foot in Nordstrom or Neiman Marcus, they won't feel a positive impact of my spending, but it's nice to know that they are listening to their customers.

JT, where do you get the information about Ivanka Trump's sales declining for several years? I looked online but couldn't find any information. I'd be curious to see it.

Gail, go back to looking in 2013, 14 and 2015. Even her come out show was chilly in its reception.

https://www.google.com/amp/bridgetteraes.com/2012/03/29/a-review-of-ivanka-trumps-debut-ready-to-wear-collection/amp/?client=safari

I couldn't find any info about those years but did find this:

Net sales of just the clothing arm of the company were up $11.8 million during the first 6 months of 2016 compared to the first 6 months of 2015 as it sold its products online and at department stores, according to public filings from one of Ivanka Trump's major licensing and manufacturing partners. Forbesreported that Ivanka's clothing line generated $100 million in revenue last year, and sales were up $29.4 million from the previous fiscal year.

Wow, if that's true I wonder why three years ago Nordstrom's Rack outlet had so much of her stuff. Maybe it was a fluke. Also, could be all the bad things I read from a few years ago were just from people who did not like her style. I for one didn't like the fabrics because they felt so cheap.

Yep you are right Gail. She was down in 2015, went way up in 2016 and is way down again. This gives me hope on some of my personal ban's.

I don't think artists and performers who are socially and politically conscientious will shut up because of a small hit to their bank account. There's more important things than wealth to some people. And I don't think any individual on the conservative ban list carries the stigma that the Trump name carries, so there won't be as profound an effect from a conservative boycott as there is for Ivanka. Her customer is young women, the exact people who are strongly anti-Trump.

Just like Pottery Barn and other stores started producing merchandise just for the outlets, it doesn't seem unreasonable to assume that different clothing lines would make clothes especially for places like the Rack and TJMaxx.

Maybe not May but a lot of people say they are not going to movie theaters for a years strike. However, like Ida and a few others said it would hurt the owner of the theater and that's not good. I think it better to just not go to movies featuring the "grandstanders" . I think but not sure that they get paid for the job anyway but the idea would be that due to low sales they may not get hired in the future. A non-grandstander may get the part instead for more of a profit. There are many well known actresses/actresses that are not grandstanding (even though they maybe liberal). The shunned grandstanders actors/actresses are artists and want to do their art. It would be great if they didn't have much opportunity.

I like Scarlett Johansson and see most of her films anyways, but after her wonderful speech at the women's march, I'll be sure not to miss any of her work in the future. So smart, such a great speech.

I made a point to get a cup of coffee at Starbucks today while I was out- not something I normally do since I think their coffee is mediocre- to support their plan to hire refugees.

I don't think Nordstrom's or any retailer will make a dent in Ivanka's financial future, obviously. None of this is about the Trump profits.

If this keeps up, it will eat away at Trump's ego, and this is where the impact will be had.

I, too, would guess the Ivanka stuff at Nordstrom Rack is lesser quality produced specifically for that market, not markdowns from the Nordstrom stores.

IdaClaire, I have traveled to Texas and was surprised by the difference from my stereotype of "Texans" vs what I found. I stayed in Austin, attended the Kerrville Folk Festival and traveled a bit in the Hill Country; visited San Antonio, etc. Everyone, to a person, was so nice and friendly and even very polite in traffic. I'd expected (based on my stereotype vision) lots of macho, aggressive behavior. I know Austin is a city unto itself, though, but it was a great experience. When I commented on my pleasure at finding things different than I expected, my friend's sister (who we were visiting - not a native Texan) concurred, but warned me that lots of people were likely carrying firearms in their cars. Not sure if that's true or not and I never would have guessed.

Speaking of stereotyping and me in a past thread admitting to be guilty at times, did anyone watch the new Martha MacCallum show on Fox tonight? She had a panel of 25 people, a mixed focus group with the theme of extreme vetting on the executive order on how the order will or will not help make America safe. I would post the vid but it's only eight minutes and does a bad job of representing All who were there and seems to spend more time on the people who are for it. The show in its entirety was very fair. Anyway, it was great because I got an understanding of where the other side was coming from without added hateful commentary from a host. I hope she does more shows like this. We don't have to agree on the topic but it was a refreshing way because there wasn't the snide side comments from the peanut gallery. The best guest was a Muslim women. She is not in the vid. Tonight was a good newsy night.

Oly, I'm glad your visit was a good experience. We are such a diverse state and becoming increasingly so. I'm living in a DFW suburb where I grew up many years ago, and the shift in ethnicity is noticeable. It was once nearly all white, and now we have many immigrants in our community. I think the change is just wonderful and helps even more to break down those old stale stereotypes.

Living here, I too hear things that make me think a high number of people are carrying handguns, but I don't know of a single person who does, so I think the claim could be a blustery exaggeration from those who want us to think it's "normal."

As a scientist, I am amazed that almost on a daily basis, an individual observation, often known as an anecdote, is extrapolated as to being a "fact" that applies to entire groups of people. Statistical demographic research is a tricky business at best, so this is entirely without merit. However, today I was listening to an NPR show about what algorithms CAN tell about you from limited observations and patters of behavior, so there is actually a LOT we can tell about people but it is not likely what we think it is.

Algorithms will create the situation described in Minority Report...

Thanks,

Olychick, I'll be avoiding those states...good idea!

However, today I was listening to an NPR show about what algorithms CAN
tell about you from limited observations and patters of behavior, so
there is actually a LOT we can tell about people but it is not likely
what we think it is.

I listened to that piece as well. Algorithms are pretty scary in the wrong hands!

Sorry, Ida....just another reason I can no longer spend $ in Texas; I may even have to give up the grapefruit :-/
Making women felons

We'd better hope SC Justices Kennedy, Ginsburg and Breyer are taking their multivitamins.

I may even have to give up the grapefruit :-/

We grow the best grapefruit in the world along the Indian River in FL, although there's not nearly as much of it as there used to be. I have no doubt or troglodyte legislature will follow TX, but we haven't yet.

Since 45 felt the need to tweet about Nordstrom dropping his daughter's line this morning.

""My daughter Ivanka has been treated so unfairly by Nordstrom," Trump wrote. "She is a great person — always pushing me to do the right thing! Terrible!"

His comments will probably land in front of an ethics panel, if there is still an ethics panel. Why does she need to "push" him to do the right thing?

Nordstrom has issued their answer:

With each new opening of his mouth, with each new asinine tweet - he proves himself to be a completely clueless, classless idiot.

Help us.

Worst example of a human being I've ever seen. He's everything wrong and nothing right.

Seems like a very clear conflict of interest.

It really is terrible to be always pushed to do the right thing. Oh...did I misinterpret that?

From his tweet - So what is terrible? That Ivanka's goods are no longer being carried or that she is always pushing him to do the right thing?

I'm happy that Hillary didn't win. Now we don't have to hear about the Clinton Foundation "not" being a conflict of interest.

And now TJX companies, owners of TJ Maxx, Marshall's and Winner's in Canada (I think it's Winner's, please correct me if I'm wrong) has directed the IT signage be removed, hopefully that's the first step in eliminating her product line from their stores. I'm a stockholder and I wrote to them, urging them to purge IT from their (my!) stores, and evidently I wasn't the only one.

And brushworks, I agree, the Clinton Foundation, was sloppily run (and probably still is), but comparing that COI to trump's COI, hahahahahahahahahahaha.

I've seen it reported that his official calendar showed a 10 am intelligence briefing and his tweet came at 10:30.

It is unethical and crass that he was using the Whitehouse account to tweet about his daughter's business. Also that he was doing so during an intelligence briefing shows that his focus is not on the nation's business but his family's business. By the way, he still has not divested himself of his business and that should be setting off alarm bells because of conflict of interest. Even if you support him, you should be able to see that this is a violation of the office of the presidency.

Yes, well, if the tweet timing was as mayflowers reports, obviously 30 minutes of "intelligence" briefing isn't enough.

I'm not surprised though. Are you? This is merely more in the way of an indication of what "you who elected Trump" have foisted upon us all.

That statement is provable as there is an official calendar, which I didn't see but saw reported, and the tweet has the time stamp. I also read that he wants all his briefings in bullets and prefers they don't go over nine items. He has a very limited interest in most of what the presidency entails. I just hope he gets bored soon and pulls a Palin. He's so much like her.

Dumber than a box of shower drain hair.

I read somewhere that he has an extremely short attention span, which is why he didn't prepare for the debates and has no interest in doing anything but running his mouth and serving his own interests. Too bad it's not short when it comes to the BS he constantly fixates on.

Maybe he would take more interest in the daily briefings if they were filmed and presented in a reality TV format.

And I heard that Kellyann was "counseled" after her QVCish pitch to buy Ivanka's cr*p. But Trump wasn't??

Even idiots deserve prayers, or should I say, even more so, idiots deserve prayers. Have you prayed for the president today? Or just poking him on the forums?

I say a prayer every time I hear the latest stupid, dangerous thing he says. I don't think it's the kind of prayer you have in mind though...

Brushworks, I do both! I'm pretty multitasking like that. Do you pray for the Clintons?