Sanju, I am not familiar with that plastic roll thingi, so I have no idea, how that would work, if that would be strong enough or not. As I said, I don't have Nahema, but Laguna is strong, thorny and fast growing. You may be forced to cut too much in that esplaier or the plastic will be worn out fast. The tuteur my DH come up with for Laguna is truly so simple that is just unbelievable. He bought 5 piece of 10 feet long rebars, he bough a can of anti-rust spray in flat back and sprayed those rebars. Inserted the rebars into the ground forming a circle. He also bought a cup that he found in the plumbing aisle of the hardware store for a few $ and that holds the rebars together on the top. The only "design", if you can call such a simple thing or move like that design at all that he twisted the top part before he put that cup on the rebars. It was done in less than an hour. the structure is strong enough, does not take up much space and we can wrap around the canes diagonally, rearranging the canes every spring. So far the only problem was that hurricane force winds blew off the cup a few times but DH reinserted it in no time. Maybe you can re-think your planting scheme and put one climber on that plastic wall and the other one on a tutor -like structure? If you want, I can try to find photos of the structure when Laguna didn't cover it and email it to you, so you can see it, how simple it is. I want similar structures for Compassions and a few others. The only issue to bring home the rebars - they don't fit into my DH car.

I've purchased many roses from RU over the years. As well as the fun of opening their unique packaging to find a rose in bloom, I have even been able to make a few trips to the nursery to pick up my orders. I've never had a problem with one of their plants that wasn't my own issue. But most importantly, I will never forget being on a February vacation down south years and years ago, and taking the chance to call up RU and see if I could visit. I couldn't buy anything at that time of year; not only did we not have room in the truck to take them back north, but my gardens would be under several feet of snow for months yet. Even so, Pat welcomed me and gave me a tour of all the greenhouses and graciously sat down in her office with me to chat about roses. What a wonderful afternoon that was and I've been an RU fan ever since. Nowadays I'm not adding to my gardens and I miss receiving those big stapled boxes!

Lily I made a mistake about the thistles. I have two kinds, Canada Thistle and Purple thistle. The latter is the kind that grows 10 feet tall, has really thick stalks like pokeweed and puts out those big spikey purple "flowers." Canada is the lower spreading kind that over takes lawns. Both are very invasive though. Thanks Virginia, I hadn't heard of that one but will check it out. I've tried various weed gadgets and even torches, but thistle have obnoxiously deep roots and if you don't get it all it's a waste of time.... like pokeweed and docks. At my other place, which was brown clay, it was a little easier to dig weeds, but here I'm red clay on rock. Being in the foothills of the mountains gives me the rocky layers with a helping of that famous bright orange Carolina red clay on top. Hard as cement when dry, sticky as glue when wet. When the excavation team was here for some work, I was surprised at the boulders and rocks they unearthed. Very pretty though and the smaller ones, wagon to barrel sized, are in front of the house as my bed edges. Big bed edges...lol! The larger ones were used to shore up an old bridge on the lower part of the property. I have to cross a year around creek to get up my driveway and had a new bridge installed along with re-contouring the drive, but saved the old bridge for backup. I digress... the Canada thistle is mostly a nuisance for the moment. Hundreds in what would be the "yard" area and I mow them for now. The purple thistles are the ones I'm trying to keep from going to seed. They are dotted all over my acres, like you would see in an unkempt pasture. All those neat idealistic pictures of yellow finches sitting atop a huge purple thistle flower are pretty to look at, until you see the wickedness of the rest of the plant. I haven't mentioned my clay rock base much because I guess I don't really think about it. I've already learned how to make my own good soil with composting layers and have been doing my gardens that way for years. The concept of digging into typical ground and just plopping a plant in is a foreign concept to me. A pile of horse, goat, chicken, or alpaca manure is pure brown gold to me. Hmm... I'm not sure what that says about me.... Fancy new shoes and a designer handbag or a pile of compost?? Um, compost please!

So, I sent a note to Pat, we'll see what she says. Desertgarden, believe me, as somebody who makes a lot of her income (such as it is) off of intellectual property rights, I would never DREAM of taking part in anything that doesn't respect the rights of the hybridizer! But I agree with Cori Ann that basically, I have no understanding of how this all works, and I bet Pat does. She may say "this is not possible" in which case, end of story. But who knows, she may say "oh, sure, one just has to do x, y, and z, and then we're good to go!." Which would be really nice. For me, living in rrd country, I always get nervous when a rose I love is not readily available! But also, I'd like to see lots of other people who want this rose get a chance to grow it (because if you are on the east coast, anyhow, shipping from Arizona is WAY expensive!)