The appliances don't seem to be drawn to scale. I would recess the fridge into the pantry area and move the opening between the kitchen and butler's pantry over slightly. That would give you room to rotate the island. I would add a prep sink, which will give you separate prep and clean-up areas, and prevent the island from becoming a barrier between the fridge and main sink.

I also drew a shallow cabinet beside the fridge for pantry storage, but that space could be voided. I changed the butler's pantry door to a pocket door.

Sprinkles, I would get your house design right before worrying about the kitchen layout.

You really need to take a step back and look with fresh eyes.

In the meantime, I had another thought about the cooktop location. If
you move it toward the sink wall, you could have a window on each side,
which would provide more light, and make the hood more of a focal point.
That would still provide a nice counter if you are a baker. I put a
pantry just inside the door and moved the oven down--you can step back
into the long aisle when opening the oven door.

^ mamagoose - I really like the window ideas. My current kitchen is much too small, so I was grabbing at any counter and upper cabinet space I could get at :)

Question though, the "appliance storage area". That corner was an awkward blank corner at first, stock plan had some build-in shelves at a 45 there... I did just what you drew at first, but it still has that weird corner it leaves. Do you not like the "concealed pantry closet" (appliance garage) I drew in the first post? I felt like it grew the pantry and gave that corner a purpose. Just curious since the way you drew it is what I was initially trying to avoid

Also want to say that I want a 48" fridge, but my drawing only had standard width pictured. I just haven't gotten to rearranging anything in the kitchen yet, that's just where the draftsman left it as a template

Thank you for the advice so far!

sprnkles, you're the fellow planning a very large family, so I think you need to think through day to day living with many kids. How large a table will you need to seat an everyday family dinner? A bench or banquet would be good, but no wall space in your current design. I would assume multiple cooking assistants, some of them < 3' tall. Finest quality family time, but traffic needs to be planned. In my experience, elementary kids (and bigger!) do most of their homework at peninsula while dinner is being fixed and supervision is close at hand. I like your idea of a breakfast appliance pantry, but that really isn't best place for a processor or mixer. Great spot for dedicated frozen pizza oven though. When I lived w/4 teenagers, my 48" subzero was maybe about half enough. I think you need to consult specifically w/families of similar size to see how they manage.

I like your proposed concealed pantry and really like the idea of recessing the fridge. Combining both ideas is doable.

Pretty standard stuff.

Respectfully, no. This is all high-end and oversized.

The appliances don't seem to be drawn to scale

Yeah, that's the first thing that caught my eye. If you're going with this oversized refrigerator, I like this layout -- it keeps all your storage on one end of the kitchen, and small appliances around the corner just makes sense; you don't pull them out every day.

No, in his other thread he says they have one child and may have 1-2 more. Average-sized family.

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In contrast, the breakfast nook is nicely placed. It'll be convenient to get food and plates to the table and back. The negative here is that you're far from the beverage area, so you'll be walking the length of the kitchen to get a refill mid-meal.

My suggestion for the dining room: I remember eating at my great-great-great aunt's house as a child and LOVING her glass-front cabinets /pass through. The cabinets opened on both sides so she could wash in the kitchen /take out in the dining room. Something like this:

If you do these cabinets in the area I marked with a purple box and place the clean-up sink where the stove is currently placed, the kitchen and dining room would work together nicely. You could set the table in the dining room ... then pass the plates through the the waiting sink /dishwasher area ... then return them to the cabinets ... all in one convenient area.

Of course, this pushes your cooking area to the back of the kitchen, while your food storage is near the stairs. I don't see a way to even this out within the confines of the space as it is currently defined -- it's just too spread out for good kitchen function.

Don't focus on big. No one really wants a big kitchen; when
people say that, they really mean that the kitchen is a priority in
their plans, and they want a well-organized, efficient kitchen with
everything placed logically so making a meal is a pleasure. More
counterspace and larger spaces are not a substitute for that efficient,
well-organized space; in fact, they can actually work against you
because they can spread things out too far.

Finally, take a look at the green circle I placed in the kitchen. Using the table as a guide, I'm thinking this is about 60 sf of empty, wasted space. Then another same-sized empty, wasted space in the hallway just outside the kitchen, and yet another empty, wasted space in the stairway hall. That's way more than you need for good circulation.

samarnn: "sprnkles,
you're the fellow planning a very large family, so I think you need to
think through day to day living with many kids. How large a table will
you need to seat an everyday family dinner? A bench or banquet would be
good, but no wall space in your current design. In my experience, elementary kids
(and bigger!) do most of their homework at peninsula while dinner is
being fixed and supervision is close at hand. I like your idea of a
breakfast appliance pantry, but that really isn't best place for a processor or mixer. Great spot for dedicated
frozen pizza oven though. When I lived w/4 teenagers, my 48" subzero was
maybe about half enough. I think you need to consult specifically
w/families of similar size to see how they manage."

Just 2-3 kids :) I've lived in both situations, growing up. There's never enough fridge space... so I'm going to draw the line at one kitchen fridge, then put a giant cheapo fridge (and deep freeze) in the unfinished basement to hold the extra stuff. On the appliance pantry - mixer and food process will not go in there. Planning for a dedicated hinged-platform cupboard to raise up the mixer for the wife. I am planning to do seating at the island (whatever it ends up looking like) since I agree with your thoughts

mrspete: "My suggestion for the dining room: I remember eating at my
great-great-great aunt's house as a child and LOVING her glass-front
cabinets /pass through. The cabinets opened on both sides so she could
wash in the kitchen /take out in the dining room."

I really like this idea, I'll play around with it. I honestly wasn't worried about the trek from the Dining Room, but the pass-through idea makes sense. Thank you for the illustration!

Either appliance pantry looks OK to me--I was trying to simplify the pantry configuration behind the recessed fridge, and also, I like the symmetry of the opening in the second plan I posted, with an area to stand in front of the appliance pantry, without standing in the traffic path. But if you think it's weird, you could leave the walk-in pantry as is, or void the triangle between the pantries.