Tired of feeling oak woodwork is dated & ugly
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Comments (25)Tinker - I really respect your willingness to keep as much of the home as you could. It is absolutely beautiful and exactly the style I would choose as well. We're just finishing picking fixtures for our new addition and fell in love with that style of schoolhouse fixture you put in the kitchen. I love your kitchen! That would be a dream space for me. And the laundry - oh, the laundry! In theory, I agree with totsuka. I think that the bar has been raised in this country, and many people are putting upgrades in their kitchens and baths that aren't necessary. It would be silly to put granite countertops in our modest bungalow, but I think some home buyers expect it. HGTV or whatever has made us think that somehow cooking on certain surfaces is mandatory. I was struck when I lived in England how dingy that carpet often was and how home dwellers didn't seem to notice. I appreciate that sense that if it works it's okay even if it isn't current. Maybe I misread the aesthetic there, but I had the sense they had lower expectations, at least in my circles. Not everything had to be perfect, and people were used to living in older spaces. But having said that, what you did is extraordinary. And if you have the money, I think home improvement is one of the most satisfactory ways to spend your money, especially if you are committed to restoring rather than renovating....See MoreStaying true to home... What if it's ugly?
Comments (10)I have your house, built the same year in the Northeast. I agree that we have a lot more leeway with this type of house and have taken such liberties twice in remodeling the house. Mine was an aluminum clad faux/ode to the 1700's. It was built on a budget by the previous owners with very dark stained trim & luan doors and really cheap dark cabinets with those paper laminate sides, dark wall to wall carpeting with a dining room and bedroom that had beat up dark pine flooring. It was dark. But, in spite of the fake materials, probably did a good job of reflecting how depressing life could be 200 years earlier! (Please also remember the first rule of Garden Web - just about anything that the previous owners did is horrible.) Then (brace yourselves), we did pretty much the same remodel/facelift in the early 90s with washed oak cabinets - but no arches! We didn't know it was trendy - at the time everyone we knew with newer construction had the light/medium oak cabinets with arches. It was a soft light contemporary finish on a traditional style cabinet that fit in with new white painted windows doors and trim and overall softer colors in the house without being a jarring transition from the traditionalized exterior. With a wall opened to the small never used formal dining room and new doorways to the dead end living room and family rooms, it was now light and bright and would have shown very well if we had decided to move within the next few years. Even twenty years later and dated, my kitchen still felt comfortable. (There should be a second rule of Garden Web - everything dates, so if the house style doesn't point in a direction and you're planning to be there for a while don't just remodel for "looks". Think about if you feel comfortable in the space. If your only reaction is WOW, you'll probably get tired of it. So in 20 years when everyone's dissing (wink) your white kitchen you'll say "I don't care, because it still feels good and flows with the house".) Sorry this is so long! Anyway we're remodeling again. (Facelifted cabinets are looking worn and appliances needed to be replaced.) I didn't have a style in mind, but started with a quartzite/slate to finally reface the unattractive original faked used brick family room fireplace that extends into the kitchen. The "feel" of that pushed me towards medium stained maple and green cabinets for the new kitchen - which is (I guess) a hat tip to craftsman without trying to be authentic. A modest redecorating plan will help the new look flow through the house. So, the house has gone from an unauthentic period colonial, to an unauthentic contemporized colonial, to what will probably eventually be a slightly different style unauthentic contemporized colonial. I wouldn't have put either of my kitchens in my Grandparents true 1785 colonial. They wouldn't look or feel right there!...See MoreThe dated=ugly dichotomy & the generic fix.
Comments (79)I saw a lot of kitchens like #3, and have even seen a couple of #4s, although 4s as you said were not mainstream. I agree with you that we have pulled WAY back from this kind of Esthetic, but not really from the Ideas behind either of these kitchens. #1/2 acknowledges the colonial revival with it's "board" doors and brass pulls and tole light fixture. The original floor was Amtico weathered brick or colonial brick layed parquet style, in white. The table is colonial revival in distressed pine with thick midcentury captains chairs. #3 kitchen, also colonial revival takes most of these elements to the level of cliche. Brick is applied in non-structural fashion, scallops are applied to the range hood and the window sills rather than any cabinetry piece. The colors are based on the (now disproven) colonial Williamsburg colors, and the wallcovering is not something that looks colonial at all, it is composed of pictures or vignettes OF pictures that are of colonial things. Kitchen 1/2 suggests, kitchen 3 rams "COLONIAL" right down your throat. You can't miss the point. Kitchen 4 while never mainstream in its sum total has a lot of popular elements all combined. We have foil wallpaper, we have bright primary colors, we have a suggestion of trelliage, we have harvest gold, we have walnut. All of these thing are very 1970, and in this case they are all together. We have pulled way back from this sort of palette, but the insistence of getting each "important" element all in place is the same. So the white kitchen generally must have it's white subway tile, often with its feature area, and if it has an island it generally must have it's feature lighting, and it must have it's "hardware as the jewelry of the kitchen" Often all metal finishes must match. The floor should be wood, and dark, but not "too" dark. The transitional kitchen must have granite, and a stone backsplash with feaure tiles in metal or glass. The floor is porcelain that has to coordinate with both the granite and the stone of the backsplash. There isn't anything wrong with any of these things but there is a strict formula, and a great deal of pressure, self-iinflicted or otherwise to Fit It All In. Deviate from white subway tile, or the granite with movement (if that's what's called for); from stainless appliances, or from a full backsplash altogether, and it will often get treated as if you've taken leave of your senses. So my point between 1/2 and 3 ,4 is that while 1/2 is a kitchen of it's era, it was never trying to emcompass Every Last Element that made it 1969 colonial revival, 3 and 4 were desparately trying to fit it all in. And I think a lot of kitchens now are going to suffer the same fate because they are trying to fit it all in. They are either white or brown, not harvest gold or psychedelic but it's the same thing in a different era....See MoreLate 1930's woodwork - refinish or replace?
Comments (11)OK! Yes I can definitely see the 1939 there. Not quite into modern era but beyond early 1900s. I think my original opinion still stands - what do the door and window trim look like- the piece in the pic looks kinda solid, more substantial than the baseboard? Why do you say door is "hollow core" - looks to me like solid wood framing or possibly veneered with plywood inset panels...? If it truly is hollow prob not worth it.... or if veneered and badly chipped.... but if not it look great refinished - with that wild grain and door knobs that's the kind of period detail that is irreplaceable. I dont know if I would remove any trim. The beauty of flat plain surfaces is that you could get a really good high powered palm type sander able to hook up to a vac and just have at it. If you were to use a gel stain you wouldn't even have to take off all the original finish just enough to smooth and clean up the wood. Re upgrading to "better quality" - I don't know if anything that great or period appropriate can be found in a big box store - the fake Victorian stuff is way too thin and unsubstantial not to mention out of character with 1939. Would have to come from specialty place (in fact I think Ive seen that same baseboard once in a catalog LOL) or be milled but either of those two aren't really prohibitively expensive IMHO - just a simple flat trim of some sort would be good. Or if your house is small you might find something in a large enough quantity in an architectural salvage place. Klem you have a question mark after your last sentence - don't you think the oak trim and floor looks good together? Even if OP replaces I must say that the oak + oak looks good....See Morenicholsworth Z6 Indianapolis
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