Tomato paste vs tomato sauce
9 years ago
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Comments (16)Tapla and Justaguy, I wanted to point out your dislike of organics in containers was reaffirmed by Ray's experiment. I know the problems associated with using organics in containers and that researchers have tried to obtain results equal to conventional methods with much tweaking of the organic systems and have had some success. But Ray's experiments last year certainly back up your contentions in other threads that using organics in containers would give disappointing results. At least it certainly did using Fox Farm vs the old formula of Tomato Tone. The old T.T. formula was a mix of synthetics and organics and look at the results in Ray's picture--the tomato with lots of fruits on the right (TT) VS the pitiful organic one (Foxfarm) next to it that you can barely make out. Even Ray's miracle gro soil mix WITH fertilizer did not help Fox Farm. Now having said this I have had good results growing certain vegetables organically in containers. Perhaps they would been bigger with synthetics but I was happy with the results. I certainly would not be happy with the results that Ray got with Fox Farm and was surprised the difference was that dramatic. By the way I use both synthetic and organics fertilizers but I am interested in improving organic results particular when told it just can't be done. Any chance that some of the non-plant ingredients are soil-type microbes that would help the organic fertilizer breakdown and be utilized in containers? Ray, I also noted the change in the formulas on my old bags of TT and the new. I was disappointed that they did this as I liked the higher potassium and the synthetic components ameliorate some of the organic drawbacks. I already had Plant-tone if I wanted to go purely organic. As far as your new experiment, it will be interesting to see how the new TT with all the biological microbes stacks up to the old. Also the ferts, in the Miracle Gro are long gone now and won't impact the experiment....See MoreSometimes I feel stupid..Or, what's the deal with paste tomatoes?
Comments (20)Thank you all. I have done some occasional stalking over on the Harvest forum, and you bet those folks know their stuff. Maybe I worded my search wrong, but couldn't seem to find the info I was looking for. (maybe because most people have enough sense to figure it out for themselves...) Thank you, Dave, for your words about Victorio. I bought it last year for dealing with blueberries, but it was an incredible help with my tomato harvest this year. It absolutely does leave the pulp. Last year (when I grew sauce tomatoes), I had lots and lots of sauce after I ran it through a wire strainer. I just didn't have enough sense to know what to do with it. This year, I did strain the first couple batches of tomatoes I ran through it, and the small amount of pulp that was in those beefsteaks made lovely sauce. Just not enough of it. What I especially liked was how quickly the pulp cooked down into sauce once it was strained out. After using this amazing gadget this year, I don't think there's much of anything that anyone could say to make me fall out of love with it. It's a huge labor and time saver! As a note, I discovered by accident, that if I filled the hopper with tomato pieces before I cranked them through and then emptied the bowl right into a hot pan, I had minimal separation of pulp and water in the jars. Re: Determinate Sauce tomato. I grow my vegetables organically, and honestly don't even like to spray organic concoctions. Add to that the fact that the entire county here seems to have Early Blight in the soil, plus the fact that our incredibly hot mid summer heat puts a stop to tomato production anyway, and I have decided that it really doesn't matter whether I grow determinates or indeterminates. I am still only going to get the first crop. I will try Opalka as an experiment. Sounds intriguing. But I am very grateful for the extra mention of Italia. All three recs are on my list to try....See MoreTomato Paste recipe doesn't call for acid...
Comments (10)I don't know how you resolved your citric acid vs. no citric acid dilemma, but my suggestion is to just buy some and keep it dry in a jar, and use it whenever you are canning tomatoes or tomato juice because it has no taste when added in small quantities. It does provide a margin of safety, is really cheap, will last a long time if you buy 8 ounces or a pound, and it has no shelf life if you keep it dry. Also, if you have some over-ripe fruit to can or over-ripe fruit for jam making, you can add a little citric acid to give the fruit a little "bite". It is what they used in children's Gummy Bears and all such sweet sour candies to give them that tart taste. Del Monte even adds citric acid to canned grapefruit sections - a fruit you may not think could benefit from citric acid. Certain cheese calls for citric acid to acidify milk products. So it does have multiple uses. Just my thoughts, Jim in So Calif...See MoreCrushed tomatoes vs tomato sauce?
Comments (2)It can be confusing as some people use the terms interchangeably so it all depends on the recipe you are using. But "technically" ;) they are 2 different things. Crushed tomatoes - peel (boiling water dip), core, and chop. Then can them. Think of them as "soupy mashed tomatoes" with seeds. If the recipe tells you to run them through a processor before canning that gets rid of the seeds but it is still "soupier" than sauce. sauce - is pureed tomatoes with all the seeds removed and is thicker. Peel, core, and then cook the tomatoes until soft and run them through a food mill or Vittorio strainer. It removes all the seeds and any remaining cores and all you are left with is the "juice" and pulp. Then cook it down over low heat to 1/2 its starting volume. Then can it. Then there is "paste" - it is sauce cooked down to 1/2 its starting volume AGAIN so it is even thicker than sauce. A spoon will stand up in it. If you want seasoned sauce/paste you need to add your various seasonings to the cooking till soft stage BEFORE you run them through the mill/strainer. Hope this helps. ;) Dave...See More- 9 years ago
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