Tomato paste vs tomato sauce
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Comments (16)Tapla and Justaguy, I wanted to point out your dislike of organics in containers was reaffirmed by Ray's experiment. I know the problems associated with using organics in containers and that researchers have tried to obtain results equal to conventional methods with much tweaking of the organic systems and have had some success. But Ray's experiments last year certainly back up your contentions in other threads that using organics in containers would give disappointing results. At least it certainly did using Fox Farm vs the old formula of Tomato Tone. The old T.T. formula was a mix of synthetics and organics and look at the results in Ray's picture--the tomato with lots of fruits on the right (TT) VS the pitiful organic one (Foxfarm) next to it that you can barely make out. Even Ray's miracle gro soil mix WITH fertilizer did not help Fox Farm. Now having said this I have had good results growing certain vegetables organically in containers. Perhaps they would been bigger with synthetics but I was happy with the results. I certainly would not be happy with the results that Ray got with Fox Farm and was surprised the difference was that dramatic. By the way I use both synthetic and organics fertilizers but I am interested in improving organic results particular when told it just can't be done. Any chance that some of the non-plant ingredients are soil-type microbes that would help the organic fertilizer breakdown and be utilized in containers? Ray, I also noted the change in the formulas on my old bags of TT and the new. I was disappointed that they did this as I liked the higher potassium and the synthetic components ameliorate some of the organic drawbacks. I already had Plant-tone if I wanted to go purely organic. As far as your new experiment, it will be interesting to see how the new TT with all the biological microbes stacks up to the old. Also the ferts, in the Miracle Gro are long gone now and won't impact the experiment....See MoreSometimes I feel stupid..Or, what's the deal with paste tomatoes?
Comments (20)Thank you all. I have done some occasional stalking over on the Harvest forum, and you bet those folks know their stuff. Maybe I worded my search wrong, but couldn't seem to find the info I was looking for. (maybe because most people have enough sense to figure it out for themselves...) Thank you, Dave, for your words about Victorio. I bought it last year for dealing with blueberries, but it was an incredible help with my tomato harvest this year. It absolutely does leave the pulp. Last year (when I grew sauce tomatoes), I had lots and lots of sauce after I ran it through a wire strainer. I just didn't have enough sense to know what to do with it. This year, I did strain the first couple batches of tomatoes I ran through it, and the small amount of pulp that was in those beefsteaks made lovely sauce. Just not enough of it. What I especially liked was how quickly the pulp cooked down into sauce once it was strained out. After using this amazing gadget this year, I don't think there's much of anything that anyone could say to make me fall out of love with it. It's a huge labor and time saver! As a note, I discovered by accident, that if I filled the hopper with tomato pieces before I cranked them through and then emptied the bowl right into a hot pan, I had minimal separation of pulp and water in the jars. Re: Determinate Sauce tomato. I grow my vegetables organically, and honestly don't even like to spray organic concoctions. Add to that the fact that the entire county here seems to have Early Blight in the soil, plus the fact that our incredibly hot mid summer heat puts a stop to tomato production anyway, and I have decided that it really doesn't matter whether I grow determinates or indeterminates. I am still only going to get the first crop. I will try Opalka as an experiment. Sounds intriguing. But I am very grateful for the extra mention of Italia. All three recs are on my list to try....See MoreSauce/paste/salsa tomato advice in zone 4b ?
Comments (3)I've heard that indeterminate tomato varieties produce a lot over a period of time, rather than one really big crop, after which production tapers off very quickly. 'Zat true? With a few exceptions, yes that is true. Some warmer climates allow for a few det. varieties to produce a smaller second crop but as a general rule of thumb, determinates produce all at once over a few week period and are then done. Indeterminates produce until killed by frost or disease. Many prefer sauce/paste made from the so-called slicers vs. paste varieties but I prefer to use paste tomatoes as much as possible simply because less cook-down time is required to get the thickness we prefer. For that reason I had always grown San Marzano and Amish Paste for more years than I can count ;). Tried Health Kick for 2 seasons and was not at all impressed with either production or taste and dropped it. Last year I switched to Opalka and San Marzano. Opalka is harder to germinate for me for some reason but it consistently outproduces and tastes better than Amish Paste. But in all honestly, in pure numbers of tomatoes, you can't beat San Marzano. So, with your short season, if your goal is "having enough tomatoes ready to process in one fell swoop" then you will need several plants - try a Healthkick if you want but also plant several Marzano's and at least a couple of Opalkas to add to the mix. ;) Just my 2 cents. Dave...See MoreFreezing question - tomatoes, paste
Comments (3)Thanks! That is sort of what I thought, but as I don't refreeze much of anything at all, I thought I would ask here. Here is the pizza sauce recipe, Weed's Missouri pizza thread: 1 16 oz. can whole tomatoes, diced fine 6 oz. can tomato paste 1 1/2 TB sugar 1 t. crushed dried basil 1/2 t. salt 1/4 t. dried thyme Mix together, let sit, do not cook. Makes enough sauce for 4 pizzas. Cheese blend for this style pizza: grated cheddar, Swiss, and Provolone. Sprinkle Italian seasonings on top of the pizza just before putting it in the oven. Note: Teresa used about 2 teaspoons of Penzey's Pizza Seasoning in place of the dried basil and thyme. Used the same amount of sugar and salt, plus I added 3-4 TB water gradually blended in to make a good spreading consistency and loosen up the tomato paste a little bit. I also used 2 cups of thawed crushed tomatoes I had in the freezer instead of the can of whole tomatoes....See More- 9 years ago
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