Can't this be said of Trump supporters too? Look at any depressed area of the country where jobs have disappeared. Have they prepared themselves for changes in technology that eliminated factory jobs? Did they get a college education or training to prepare themselves for today's jobs? Did they even graduate high school? Have they been willing to move away from depressed areas? Have they turned to drugs and alcohol? Had children they can't afford? Trump is their knight in shining armor who's going to bully the world into making them love us again. I was trying to speak about the Hispanic community and to some degree the African-American community due to personal experience, what I've learned in discussions with my wife who is from the South, and endless readings on economic and political issues. So yes there are some Trump supporters that may see a knight in shining armor. I would say the same thing to them. Without going back to re-read what I wrote earlier, I think freedom and independence in all facets is what is great about this country. I don't want to be an economic slave to some politician, whether that's Clinton or Trump. I don't need affirmative action or a government handout, no thank you. I'll compete on my own and give anyone a run for their money on my own. If I don't get a job, I don't complain it must've been racism. I go get another skill or credential. I have an internal locus of control and it's great! It's empowering! At the risk of repeating myself, this country is a magnificent place. I am one of the most blessed human beings on this Earth and money plays only a small part of that statement. I am one generation removed from abject poverty where corruption (sorry to say, so similar to what we see happening on the left today) nearly guarantees a permanent underclass. Which by the way, that underclass competes for our manufacturing jobs for 20 cents on the dollar. In similar ways, the corruption , enslavement, and political servitude that my parents fled is now increasing in this country. That saddens me as a very proud American. One of the greatest inspirations in my life are my dad and mom. My father came to Los Angeles as a 5 year old not speaking a word of English. There wasn't nearly the support there is for non-native speakers. Nevertheless my father made it through high school, through lots of racial unrest (particularly with Latino and Black tensions), through racism and never did they take government assistance. My father stayed away from drugs and the gangs which he says were all over. It's a part of my family history that I don't forget. I drive by the house where my father was raised. And I drive into the cul-de-sac where I lived until I was 4 years old. And honestly it's emotional for me. So much sacrifice has been made by my parents to help me get where I am at today. My mother's father was murdered when she was 2. Even in the third-world country where she lived, she was able to fight for an education, didn't mess around with men (avoiding teenage pregnancy that is almost guaranteed in her homeland), and focused on studying accounting. She shares stories of how poor they were that they often had only had one egg to split with the 5 siblings for breakfast. She shares that she had to use candlelight to do homework because electricity would be cut off after 7 or 8 pm. It's these stories that make me realize, anything is possible with hard work in this country. No, the white man is not trying to keep me or my sons down. No my white CEO is not trying to keep my wages down because I'm Hispanic. There is opportunity all over the place! And this great country made that possible. But I don't look for government to grant me my success. The freedom to work hard is there for everyone. That is the principle I am raising my kids with. Trying to bring this back to gardening, I do share this with my kids. I have a lot of plants on a mere 8000 square foot lot. Blueberries, peaches, nectarines, citrus, apple trees, and a struggling persimmon tree and a Kishu Mini (overwatering maybe the problem). And its sometimes a pain to keep it under control but I do. And my kids notice the hard work that it takes to reap rewards from my investment. And I love it. We believe in a reap and sow world. It has paid dividends in my life and my wife's (who ironically comes from a similar background but definitely had more challenges than I did). My son has a friend who lives across the street. The mom is single. In fact she has 3 kids each with different fathers. God bless her she has done as good of a job as she can. Her kid is a good kid. But you know what that kid says to my kids? Vote for Clinton because my mom says I'll get free college. The contrast is my kids hear that college is a good option and that we are saving for it so that when the time comes, the money is there. It's two polar viewpoints and its not unlike what we see in the adult world. And by the way, I tell my kids, don't ever look at a politician as the solution to your problem. I encourage them to find the solution within themselves. I truly believe it's that paradigm that can help the poor climb out of poverty and the vicious cycles that perpetuate it. I'll share one more thing. I work in a typical corporate environment. I talk to everyone from upper management to security guards and the janitors. I really enjoy talking to this one security guard who is making minimum wage because he allows me to hear a very different perspective. He is an immigrant from a country where socialistic leanings have destroyed opportunity. It's a country where man of their taxi cab drivers are college-educated but cannot find work in their fields. Without me sharing my viewpoint on politics, he opened up about the election and said he gets angry at Hispanics because we should know better. We have fled countries like Venezuela and Cuba. My parents fled a country with one of the highest murder rates in the world (even compared to war zones! How is that even possible!). The utopian projects have failed so he says why do we come here and try to bring the principles of our failed homelands here! It was brilliant. That day I shared with my friends and coworkers, that he so eloquently describe my frustration with my own. It really frustrates me and frankly I'm not sure there is anyway to get most of them to get this major point. We must stop looking to government to fix our problems. It takes sacrifice and determination and the ability to fight temptations (like sex at 14 or 16 or blowing every penny you earn on cable tv, $100 phone plans, $600 phones, and new cars you can't afford). Well, the end of this race is near which means more time to garden! God Bless America.

"How can someone fake videoed conversations." Here are some things O'Keefe has done in the past: 1. " then-NPR executive Ron Schiller quoted a Republican who viewed tea party activists as “racist.” The edited clip made it appear that Schiller himself held that opinion." https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/10/19/two-democratic-operatives-lose-jobs-after-james-okeefe-sting/ Mr. Vera had been portrayed by O’Keefe as being a willing participant when O’Keefe and his accomplice, Hanna Giles, proposed smuggling young women into the United Statesto work as prostitutes. While Mr. Vera had no idea he was being surreptitiously video taped—which is not surprising given that California law expressly bars the secret recording of one’s voice or image—there was also something Mr. O’Keefe did not know until after he released the damaging video of his conversation with Vera for broadcast.As soon as O’Keefe and his partner-in-crime left the ACORN location, Mr. Vera called the police to report the entire incident. It turns out that Vera had been playing along with O’Keefe in an effort to ensnare O’Keefe and Giles whom Vera believed were in the act of breaking the law by proposing to engage in the importing of young women to become prostitutes. http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/03/08/james-okeefe-pays-100000-to-acorn-employee-he-smeared-conservative-media-yawns/#fa590083a786 O’Keefe’s incriminating ACORN video was shown to have been heavily edited—neither he nor Hannah Giles were actually in pimp and prostitute get-up when they spoke to ACORN employees, for example—and no criminal prosecutions of ACORN followed. http://www.cjr.org/campaign_desk/okeefe_teaches_media_a_lesson_again.php  4. Tried to embarrass a news anchor by seducing her on a porn strewn pleasure boat. http://www.cjr.org/campaign_desk/okeefe_teaches_media_a_lesson_again.php

I can understand folks who have conservative politics and different ideologies about a whole vast array of things. But when I see folks disregarding the Constitution and even arguing that it is an unnecessary burden to be pushed aside for their personal benefit, or "it doesn't apply", well that's the moral problem I have. If you won't even CONSIDER a Supreme Court nomination by another party, and want to wait out the election until you have the votes, well why would we ever, ever even need a Supreme Court? The Democrats could just as easily say they won't confirm a Supreme Court judge until after the next election, and ad nauseum. And the idea that Supreme Court judges are purely political and don't have to abide by precedent and the Constitution, that it is just "us against them and whomever has the votes of the moment wins" is an anathema to what the US is supposed to be, a republic where laws and principles are supposed to govern. Sorry, but if you are a "rules don't need to apply to me" person of any ilk, I would find you dangerous. Also, I have looked into HC's "crimes" and they are just petty political stuff, any other candidate has done similar things or even DT's crimes, just don't stick to him, and yet some petty mishandling of e-mail is such a huge crime as to equate her with Anthony Weiner? Yes, folks in Libya were killed at the US embassy. NOT the first time US citizens working for the Army administration or State Department have been killed in the line of duty, and yet I haven't seen other Secretaries of State pilloried for that kind of thing, nor directors of the Army, etc. I just don't think this kind of extremism in our society in general (yes I know DT's supporters aren't the only ones doing it) is going to bode well for us in the long run to solve the kinds of serious problems we have with our economy. And I haven't heard any really good suggestions from either party on that. The old ways won't work. Divide and conquer is one way to rule, but it isn't the only way. Edited to add that I work in academia and if you think it is all hearts and flowers among colleagues, no matter what their political persuasion, guess again. Academics tend to be critical of each other because they get paid to be the smartest person in the room. So imagine a group of them in a meeting . . . If you can't get used to that kind of atmosphere, you probably won't last in academia, no matter what institution you work for. Some places are less acrimonious than others. But "spirited debate" of various viewpoints is the bread and butter of academic life.

Additionally, to what Chi says is that historically All Presidents campaign to back the new nominee, granted some more than others but all the same. Also, the Obama had no personal gain regarding their travel accomodations and their appearances were not self profiting for their private affairs. Trump is utilizing every thing he can for personal gain. Ron, I can appreciate that your interest is to seek the truth, I think that is the case with the majority of people.