Wow. Carol23 I think you may have nailed it. I've been comparing photos and I'll look for more, but that is looking like the answer. I don't think I would have come across that - you have my sincere thanks and the lady who has this will probably want me to pass along hers as well. Ging

This is growing in a mostly shady spot getting filtered sunlight.

Thanks for the quick response Carol. I think this one is kind of pretty, but I believe I will dispose of it, oh yeah berries would mean many more, and there's an awful lot of birds around.

Ecology: English Ivy prefers open forests but is adaptable to many habitats and moisture conditions. English Ivy serves as a reservoir for bacterial leaf scorch that infects maples, oaks, and elms. This invasive vine colonizes by vine growth and seeds that are spread by birds. Very few species of wildlife use English Ivy because it is mildly toxic. taken from the site linked below: https://projects.ncsu.edu/goingnative/howto/mapping/invexse/englishi.html