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stuartlawrence (7b L.I. NY)
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Comments (22)Hi JessicaBe For what it's worth, I've grown some of the teas you list in a zone 6 pocket in my zone 5b garden for about 4-5 years. I'll post another thread sometime about these when they bloom, but my bottom line reaction is - it depends. Like Seil I enjoy zone pushing and don't spend a lot of money on my tea experiments (all from Chamblees, own root gallons). The results are decidedly "OK", but as expected none of them are as spectacular as they'd be in a warmer zone. Most of them have survived - so far the only ones that died were Safrano and Monsieur Tillier, though Duchesse de Brabant got planted later than I'd have liked last year and isn't doing so well yet. The following tea roses have survived and bloom reasonably well for me: Mrs. B.R. Cant, Madame Antoine Mari, Maman Cochet, Mrs. Dudley Cross, and the best of the bunch has been Georgetown tea (thanks to Olga for the recommendation). Remember that I do winter protect everything in my yard, and the teas get protected first with a full-sized bag of leaves next to them rather than a chopped down third of the bag. I doubt they'd bloom much without protection even if they survived, since teas want to build up structure over the years from existing old wood. So I agree with what has been suggested - feel free to try it but plan to winter protect them and don't expect the results you get in warmer climates. Cynthia...See MoreDrought tolerant fir for WNY z6a
Comments (22)"The temperature description matches my local climate exactly. The snow pack here from lake effect snow isn't quite as much as described above but is pretty close and consistent from year to year. The summer dry spell is the only difference as we get sporadic summer rains keeping things moist and happy" One other significant difference is summer humidity, and consequent night temperatures. Low humidity and high altitude in the Sierra Nevada means summer nights are chilly, probably only rarely over 10�C, not easy growing conditions for fungi. Conversely, high summer humidity where you are traps heat at night (I'd guess you often have nights that don't drop below 20�C?). These conditions are much better for fungal diseases; that's a major reason why so many western N American trees perform poorly in the east of the continent. Resin...See MoreNeed help with soil test - z6b - Eastern MA
Comments (36)Here are my thoughts on planning: while I agree that planning is important, I feel none of what I'm doing right now precludes any plants unless they are extremely acid-loving. My pH is 4.8 and the recommended ph ranges from 5.5 for acid loving to 6.5 for flowers. Changing the ph takes a long time and so far I've added 40lbs of limestone when I need 225 - 400 lbs! I also agree that using native plants is preferable, but that is limited by availability and cost. It's going to be hard to justify buying native if he cost difference is substantial. I have bought a few so far, listed below, from big box stores New plants: Gaura lindheimeri Salvia nemorosa Boneset chocolate eupatorium rugosum Salix integra brocade willow Pieris japonica If anyone has recommendations or websites to learn about native plants, please share. I feel like the far bigger limiting factor is the relatively small amount of sun I get, not my soil. Also, for any new subject, by definition my tastes are going to evolve, so I don't see much value in creating a plan upfront, when it's almost guaranteed that my tastes will change as I learn more about gardening. One example: I just learned about Swales and berms - something I'd never remotely heard of before. Now I want to learn how I can incorporate that in my garden!...See MoreWise or foolish? Duchesse de Brabant and Marchesa Bocella in z6.
Comments (20)First, to the OP's original question- I don't know if those roses would work for you because I'm 7a. But if you're asking a zone pusher if you should push a zone, maybe, in the case of DdB. Be smart about it and do some research. It isn't just that teas don't need cold, they require heat. For me, teas are never truly happy till it's 90's F. We get several months worth of days with that in spring, summer and fall. Teas hate cold winds and aren't fans of sitting in cold wet soil either. But it also pays to place teas where they won't be subject to too much warmth too quickly in the winter during a warm spell. Teas never miss an opportunity to break dormancy. Then winter comes roaring back and all their new growth is toast. For me this works out to the southeast bed by the house in the back yard. My back yard is on a slope and my soil is rocky so drainage is good. They get plenty of sun but are protected from cold winds. However the slight inclination to the southeast keeps them from getting the hottest sun in the winter. They still want to break dormancy too early but it does help a little. Now to the parallel discussion on the value of old roses. Growing old roses isn't brain surgery or rocket science. It doesn't require a degree in biochemistry. They can survive *in the right place* , in most cases on their own roots, with no more care than they'd receive from the average gardener in the 17th, 18th, 19th or early 20th century. The average gardener didn't use fertilizers, except maybe a scoop or two of dried manure once in awhile nor did they follow a spray schedule. In many gardens, roses didn't receive supplemental water. It does assume the grower has some common sense and a basic knowledge of how plants grow. I'm trying to be good advertisement by growing them that way myself, except I water so my rebloomers will rebloom. Yet I think what wins over most people is seeing and being able to smell old roses in full bloom in the spring. My daughter bought a rose this spring- Alchymist! It didn't bother her that it's a once bloomer....See Moreken_adrian Adrian MI cold Z5
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