How to minimize sound with new Ac ducts and handler?
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Comments (12)I am thinking of going with the company that has proposed installing the duct work in the attic, plus switch out the equipment. So currently, I have: 2 ton carrier AC unit ('91) 3 ton ADP coil ('06) 80,000 btu trane xp 80 furnace ('07) The proposal from company #1 that I am thinking of going with is for: 2 ton carrier perfom. 16 #24ACC624 66,000 BTU (80% efficiency) furnace #58CVA070-12 2 1/2 ton coil (#cnpv3014). Cost w/ duct work $8800 I had another company propose to put in a 3 ton carrier system, with a 3 ton coil, and 2 stage variable furnace, 70,000 btu. The cost for this (no duct work) would be $9300. I am leaning towards going with the company that will provide equipment and duct work for $8800, but I am wondering: - why am I going from a furnace with 80,000 btu to a furnace with 66,000 btu? Is more btu's better? - is the use of insulated flex duct and metal splitter boxes standard in attic installations? Are there any downsides or upsides to using this? Durability, noise? When you talk about calculations, are you talking about a "manual j"? I have asked various companies about Manual Js and have been told that they are like $600, there are too many factors that are unknown like wall insulation, and that a similar calculation was done when the house was constructed ... so I get the sense they are not basing their estimates on such a calculation....See MoreUpstairs AC & Air Handler replacement - Advice Please
Comments (21)With 1000 square feet and 3 ton units being quoted (along with added costs of duct modification to support them), you definitely should look into getting a load calculation done -- especially since improvements in insulation have made. It is possible that even the 2.5 ton system you had before was oversized, as many systems are. Oversized systems are not energy efficient and do not dehumidify well. Many don't want to hear that their previous system was oversized when it had trouble keeping some areas comfortable. Some companies will throw more capacity at the situation and extenuate the current issues and/or create new problems. But system performance is dependent on many variables, including ductwork (size, insulation, layout) and installation practices. Since you obviously care about getting this done right, I would tell further companies you call that you are in need of a load calculation. If they don't want to, then don't bother with them in my opinion. 2-stage units do offer a noticeable improvement in all the areas you mentioned. As for the Infinity, the logic is pretty sophisticated in terms of dehumidification and control over airflow. But: sized, installed, and set up properly all three are important), you might be hard pressed to notice a huge difference over the Infinity system versus the similar 24ACB7 system with FV4C air handler AND TP-PRH thermidistat that tiger mentioned before. This thermostat can (and should) be wired to reduce blower speed as humidity rises too high. As for American Standard/Trane equipment, I certainly am a big fan so you know what my answer will be. The quality is good. And I really think their Hyperion air handlers are superior to others on the market. I like the all-aluminum coils (there have been big issues with conventional copper coils leaking only after 5-7 years due to formicary/galvanic corrosion). Several manufacturers have switched to all-aluminum indoor coils and more have plans of doing so. The Carrier does not feature an all-aluminum evaporator coil (it is tin-plated copper, which is an improvement). Also, I do feel the electronic expansion valve (refrigerant metering device) in the Trane air handlers does a much better job controlling refrigerant flow through the coil compared to conventional thermostatic expansion valves, which sometimes are at the mercy of the installer if installed in the field and not factory installed (again leading back to the importance of a proper installation -- the Carrier FV4C will have a factory installed R410A TXV). The 500-position EEV gets the coil very cold without letting it freeze and facilitates greater dehumidification. You may want to look at the XL16i (2-stage scroll) with TAM7 air handler. The XL20i, while expensive, really is the "best" 2-stage system on the market in my opinion and has dual compressors for 50%/100% capacity staging (longer efficient runtimes, better dehumidification). While 2-stage scroll systems are nice, the dropoff isn't as much in low (~75% capacity), so still very important not to (potentially) be oversized even in low stage. Please continue to keep us posted on how this goes. And good luck. No matter which system you end up choosing (single stage or two stage), Carrier or Trane (or some other mfg), when installed and sized correctly you should be very comfortable for years to come. This post was edited by ryanhughes on Wed, Apr 10, 13 at 12:59...See MoreLuxaire air handlers and a/c condensers
Comments (38)I am taking your advice and going to do the HVAC on my own. I've had 2 authorized dealers take a look so far. Will have 2 more. I've gotten one proposal back and the second guy will do one but his will be time-consuming and I hesitate to have him put a lot of work into the proposal when I'm still interviewing others. He said he would not be happy if he didn't get the job. I can't promise he'd be the one. NOTE: No load calculations were ever done on this house for heat or AC. I just learned this yesterday - 1 year into the job. The second AC dealer wants to do load calculations but, as I said, we've come so far and have limitations. Would it be worth his time? The first proposal goes like this: Remove incorrect air handlers and install 2 Trane variable speed Hyperion AH 2 Trane 2-stage SL16i condensers install Honeywell control system - digital programmable with WIFI replace all flex ducts on 2nd floor (I believe they're 6 or 7") with new 10" round flex with larger difusers Install 2nd return in ceiling on 2nd floor, redo existing return ducts The total cost of all this is $14,650. He also proposed installing a secondary heat source. We have Viega radiant heat panels in the floors but there is some concern that it will be adequate given the level of quality of the HVAC work and a poor experience with the electrical sub. There are 4 options for supplementary heat proposed: 1. Hot water coils in the AHs: $3400 2. Electric heaters: $700 plus cost of running electric lines 3. Carrier Heat pump (would mean using carrier equipment, not Train) $2900on top of AH price 4. Carrier Infinity 20 greenspeed heat pump - $5400 on top of AH price I have no specific model numbers from him - I suppose he doesn't want me to be able to compare prosals directly. Any reactions?...See MoreExpect to pay $20,000 for a new 4 ton AC compressor + air handler ?
Comments (13)Thanks to everyone for their feedback. Some extra info: There are two issues here, proper sizing and price. Regarding price, the research I did indicated that a reasonable price for the two systems together is $16K to $20K, counting the fact I am in a HCOL area. The two quotes so far have taken me by surprise, I will have at least 2 more next week and will provide an update. I am going through a similar issue with getting my sump pump system replaced - it is 8 years old and it looks like all of it needs to be replaced. The parts are $700, the first quote I received is for $2700 installed. Waiting on some other quotes. As far as sizing, the house is 3400sf plus a 900ft basement which is finished to a level comparable to the rest of the house, and is used a lot. I like to keep it at 72 or less to control the humidity, rest of house is warmer. Another factor is that the first and second floors have 10 ft ceilings, and the first floor is mostly open space, and I have a lot of windows, more than 50. I know I should have someone do a test, I might do that, but it is difficult enough to even get free quotes around here - many places want to count it as a service call. Currently, when the temp gets over 90, it is very hard to keep the upstairs below 80. The basement and a room over the garage were added after the initial HVAC installed, and both systems were then split into two zones. Interesting that one quote was based on sq ft measurements, the other was based on existing duct sizes and compressor sizes and taking down a history of how well it was working for me. Again, thanks, Andy...See Morerockybird
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